[fx_chip]

These are not because the driver didn't set the parking brake.
This is because the shifter was very vague for being in park.
This is also Honda implemented a logic in the Passport that if you don't have your seat belt on and open the door, the transmission will automatically going into Park.

These are because people assumed that leaving the transmission in park is enough to hold the vehicle immobile AND they assumed they had left their vehicle in park but the electronic shifter had an error that indicated that the vehicle was in Park even when it was not. Jeep subsequently recalled the vehicles with the error.

In many of these cases and especially with Anton Yelchin, if he had used the parking brake, his vehicle would not have rolled down his driveway and crushed him because the parking brake would have held the vehicle immobile even if he exited the vehicle while it was transmission was not yet in P.

The Jeep model that killed ‘Star Trek’ actor Anton Yelchin was recently recalled for dangerous parking error

The vehicle that crushed “Star Trek” actor Anton Yelchin on Saturday — killing him in a freak accident outside his Los Angeles home — was recalled just months ago, after a p…

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Yeah there's some software manager that shifts the car to park when you open the door in the Passport, but that back up is only as good as the person that wrote the code, the Jeeps in the story were recalled due to the software of the electronic brake giving wrong transmission status so software should not be considered infallible. And hardware will only remain dependable as long as all other associated systems in the vehicle are in good working other. If you open the door and and you have a bad transmission actuator, the software will attempt to trigger the shift into park event but the transmission will not shift into park and you might not even notice if you have come to expect that it does.

 

[blb]

I wonder what happens if you are rolling along slowly in reverse and you open the door. Does the car jam itself into park anyway while in motion? That would be real hard on the parking pawl.

 

[Dennis404]

These are because people assumed that leaving the transmission in park is enough to hold the vehicle immobile AND they assumed they had left their vehicle in park but the electronic shifter had an error that indicated that the vehicle was in Park even when it was not. Jeep subsequently recalled the vehicles with the error.

In many of these cases and especially with Anton Yelchin, if he had used the parking brake, his vehicle would not have rolled down his driveway and crushed him because the parking brake would have held the vehicle immobile even if he exited the vehicle while it was transmission was not yet in P.

The Jeep model that killed ‘Star Trek’ actor Anton Yelchin was recently recalled for dangerous parking error

The vehicle that crushed “Star Trek” actor Anton Yelchin on Saturday — killing him in a freak accident outside his Los Angeles home — was recalled just months ago, after a p…

www.nydailynews.com

Yeah there's some software manager that shifts the car to park when you open the door in the Passport, but that back up is only as good as the person that wrote the code, the Jeeps in the story were recalled due to the software of the electronic brake giving wrong transmission status so software should not be considered infallible. And hardware will only remain dependable as long as all other associated systems in the vehicle are in good working other. If you open the door and and you have a bad transmission actuator, the software will attempt to trigger the shift into park event but the transmission will not shift into park and you might not even notice if you have come to expect that it does.

I'm going to pile on to this thought. I've worked as a Software Engineer and now manage a large org of Software Engineers. Yes, I know that requirements and safety protocols are more strict in public safety and auto manufacturing. But in the end, code will have bugs and is never perfect. Computers are dumb and does what it's told. Programmers are human and miss edge cases. Any extra "insurance" against those unintended faults can only help. My five cents.

 

[HarveyW]

Unless some of the members are joking with tongue in cheek, this thread creeps me out. I cannot imagine anyones negligence with a deliberate act of not setting their brake. Even more scary is the fact that they are not going to change.

This is safety 101 folks. Relying on a plastic parking pawl to stop a rolling vehicle is insane. Never mind the damage to transmission that can occur.

Thinking the parking pawl in the transmission is plastic creeps me out. It's metal not plastic.


ZF 9

I rely on the parking pawl most of the time, but then where I live the land is flat so the parking pawl does minimal work. If I park somewhere on an incline then I use the parking brake, but not on flat surfaces.

 

[blb]

I only use the parking brake on inclines.

The parking pawl is much more than adequate to hold a vehicle securely with an automatic transmission on level or nearly level surfaces.

Likewise, putting a car with a manual transmission in first or reverse gear when parked is much more than adequate to hold the vehicle securely on level or nearly level surfaces.

 

[ballisticexchris]

Thinking the parking pawl in the transmission is plastic creeps me out. It's metal not plastic.


ZF 9

I rely on the parking pawl most of the time, but then where I live the land is flat so the parking pawl does minimal work. If I park somewhere on an incline then I use the parking brake, but not on flat surfaces.

How about we give it a break please. I already addressed this. You are at the point of trolling now. Let's move on.

 

[HarveyW]

How about we give it a break please. I already addressed this. You are at the point of trolling now. Let's move on.

Well you know they have an edit button for posts don't you?

 

[wildbsbr]

Hi!

Just got a new 2023 Passport and I'm wondering what's the suggested use for the parking break. TBH, I only used it occasionally on my previous car without problems but I think I should always use it.

I live in Canada in cold weather if that changes anything.

Thanks!

I don't know why, but I always use it, always have. Goes back to driving a manual transmission, I guess.........

 

[HarveyW]

I don't know why, but I always use it, always have. Goes back to driving a manual transmission, I guess.........

I would be more likely to if Honda had an emergency brake instead of a parking brake. What's the difference for me. Simple, an emergency brake is handle operated next to the driver where as a parking brake is a pedal on the left side under the console.

Due to my previous profession I am trained in not only defensive driving, but also in evasive driving. I love emergency brakes for the advantages the provide over the typical parking brake. Both operate the same, it is just the location of the brake mechanism that is different.

 

[esoteric64]

Hi!

Just got a new 2023 Passport and I'm wondering what's the suggested use for the parking break. TBH, I only used it occasionally on my previous car without problems but I think I should always use it.

I live in Canada in cold weather if that changes anything.

Thanks!

Its an automatic . The p - park locks the tranny . Cone on

 

[esoteric64]

I would be more likely to if Honda had an emergency brake instead of a parking brake. What's the difference for me. Simple, an emergency brake is handle operated next to the driver where as a parking brake is a pedal on the left side under the console.

Due to my previous profession I am trained in not only defensive driving, but also in evasive driving. I love emergency brakes for the advantages the provide over the typical parking brake. Both operate the same, it is just the location of the brake mechanism that is different.

Are you kidding the emergency brake is uses when your brakes fail to stop the car . The magic word is emergency. Man ! Think

 

[HarveyW]

Are you kidding the emergency brake is uses when your brakes fail to stop the car . The magic word is emergency. Man ! Think

They are the same brake. The terms are used interchangeably. Another term for an emergency brake is a hand brake as the brake next to the driver on the right side is operated by hand, where as the foot operated brake is on the lower left side under the dash area.

TYPES OF PARKING BRAKES
There are four main types of parking brakes that you may encounter:

Pedal – The pedal emergency brake is a small pedal that is positioned on the floor and to the left of the gas, brake and clutch pedals. Press down on the pedal until you hear it click to engage it. Pull the lever above the foot pedal to release the brake.

Center lever – Popular on late-model vehicles with bucket seats, this type of parking brake is found between the seats. Simply pull up the lever to engage the emergency brake. To release the brake, press the button on the end and push down on the stick.

Push button – Located with the other console controls, this typically is an electronic system. Engaging and releasing this type of parking brake is as easy as pushing the button on the console.

Stick lever – Found in many older vehicles, the stick lever emergency brake is commonly found under the instrument panel.

 

[jasonpp]

They are the same brake. The terms are used interchangeably. Another term for an emergency brake is a hand brake as the brake next to the driver on the right side is operated by hand, where as the foot operated brake is on the lower left side under the dash area.

TYPES OF PARKING BRAKES
There are four main types of parking brakes that you may encounter:

Pedal – The pedal emergency brake is a small pedal that is positioned on the floor and to the left of the gas, brake and clutch pedals. Press down on the pedal until you hear it click to engage it. Pull the lever above the foot pedal to release the brake.

Center lever – Popular on late-model vehicles with bucket seats, this type of parking brake is found between the seats. Simply pull up the lever to engage the emergency brake. To release the brake, press the button on the end and push down on the stick.

Push button – Located with the other console controls, this typically is an electronic system. Engaging and releasing this type of parking brake is as easy as pushing the button on the console.

Stick lever – Found in many older vehicles, the stick lever emergency brake is commonly found under the instrument panel.

They are operating the same brakes but there is a difference. Emergency brakes have a button you can keep the handle from locking where parking brake is more on or off. The kind in the Passport is the latter thus more suited for parking since it would be difficult to use while the vehicle is moving.

 

[futurbuyer]

I have got into a habit of using it when I drive any car.

Hmmm, best to use it when it's parked.

 

[carloselviper]

Always use it. After years of driving a stick, it's a good habit.

 

[JGRyan]

Hi!

Just got a new 2023 Passport and I'm wondering what's the suggested use for the parking break. TBH, I only used it occasionally on my previous car without problems but I think I should always use it.

I live in Canada in cold weather if that changes anything.

Thanks!

I put mine on whenever I'm on any incline to take away the stress of the car leaning on the transmission.

 

[JGRyan]

Oops my apologies on bad on terminology. Parking pawl is metal and parking gear is plastic on most transmissions. I'm not sure on the ZF trans. Regardless, both pawls and parking gears are not designed to hold a vehicle from rolling. They are very weak and prone to failure.

I have never had a brake drum freeze up I could not unstick by simply rocking back and forth a few times in cold climate. I have been parked in sub zero temps numerous times. This goes for small cars to 18+ wheeled rigs.

Does not make a difference the incline. Bad habits begin by not following safety protocol every single time.

I have seen too many to count parking brake failures over the years. Just a few years back a relatives car was parked in a parking lot and she did not set the brake. It was in park and rolled into another vehicle. The adjusters of both insurance companies found her at fault. It was determined the brake was not set which caused the vehicle to roll. She ended up replacing the transmission. It was not a fluke. She refused (and still refuses) to set parking brake.

I'm a skier and recently was in Northern Vermont in -30 temps. I always use my parking brake on inclines and most other times without fail unless i'm on a completely flat area. Never, ever, had I jave the brake lock up due to freezing.

 

[Bajapalm]

I always use mine.
I never go from D - N - PBrake - P -
I just stop put it in park - Pbrake then turn it off - never had any issues

 

[John Elmer]

On 2020 Passport if car in park, engine running and you want headlights off, you need to set the parking brake then turn off auto and restart. Your headlights will be now off. This function could be used if you need heater running while sitting in vehicle as at drive in restaurant or movie theater. This info came from YouTube. Never noticed it in the manual.

 

[PNWGarageDad]

On 2020 Passport if car in park, engine running and you want headlights off, you need to set the parking brake then turn off auto and restart. Your headlights will be now off. This function could be used if you need heater running while sitting in vehicle as at drive in restaurant or movie theater. This info came from YouTube. Never noticed it in the manual.

Your first and good info! Welcome and keep it coming!