[Chief65]

As long as you're happy that's all that matters.

I've complained about this numerous times but in city traffic I find the PP frustrating to drive. The 9 speed starts off in second gear and I find it to be asleep in those situations. To me it becomes very noticeable when I compare it to our RAV4 hybrids which have instant throttle response and no downshifts to deal with. Feels way faster and get almost double the MPG's. PP is a good roomy cruiser and a traction monster but after 2 Odysseys, a Ridgeline and now this Passport they pretty much all feel the same, not a bad thing but I've been blown away by these RAVs and they are a better fit for me. Bottom line in the city and the mountains it could be so much better with a 9 speed and a V6 but I find it to be neutered. Then there's the acceleration with downshifts with the 5 to 4 shift very unwelcome when trying to bleed off speed in the mountains. I suspect the 10 speed will help but the PP is slow and heavy. It's fast when you floor it from a stop but that's not real world. Perhaps this has been addressed in newer models but I won't be around to find out. I've had plenty of Hondas and Acuras over the decades but they've lost their way IMO as they adapt to electrification.

I think the switch to the 10 speed will help. I'm coming from a 2022 4 cyl Defender 90 that I traded for the Passport, massive loss in low end torque feel for the Honda by comparison but I'm still quite pleased with it and expect very good reliability, the Rover saw the shop waay too many times over the 14 months or so. Fun vehicle but I needed more reliability at the moment. I tested the RAV4 Hybrid over the summer when I was working every dealer in the area to get a good trade number for my Defender. I had locked onto the RAV4 Hybrid and while they were pretty hard to find I got to test drive one. They expected me to take it but that CVT rubber bandy feel, ugh I just hate CVTs, that didn't do it for me at all, so unrefined. Felt like there was a propeller rigged up somewhere in the drivetrain when I punched it. smh They look fine but I just get nothing out of that driving experience. Jeep I didn't even bother, those interiors, I get in one and can't wait to get out, not a big fan of chrysler products. Maybe Grand Cherokee or Wagoneer are worthwhile I dunno, didn't bother to test, I think reliability will be an issue there. Anyone who is going from a Jeep to Honda I think you've stepped way up in quality, Honda is extremely solid even with the lower end of the lineup. Maybe the regular non-hybrid RAV would've been better for me than the Hybrid, I didn't test that, I think those lose the CVT so might be ok. My only Toyota was when I bought a new 05 Camry, that was the first new car I ever owned, very bland, but before that all I ever owned was used junk which broke down every other month so I was ready for bland. As luck would have it I hit a deer with it in month three, major damage to the front end, windshield got kicked and exploded in my face, it blew tiny glass chunks at me after the body work was done because they never did get those vents completely cleaned out. Not a memorable car for me that Camry.

 

[14v6]

@Chief65, RAV4 has an E-CVT completely different animal. It doesn't have belts or cones like a CVT. I hated the CVT's in our CRV but the E-CVT was a welcome surprise. It does sound like a CVT when you floor it though.

 

[jasonpp]

@Chief65, RAV4 has an E-CVT completely different animal. It doesn't have belts or cones like a CVT. I hated the CVT's in our CRV but the E-CVT was a welcome surprise. It does sound like a CVT when you floor it though.

CR-V hybrid is also E-CVT

 

[Smiles per gallon]

Hi Everyone! I'm new here. I'm planning on buying a 2023 Honda Passport EX-L in the next few days. I'm 44 and have always owned Honda Accords throughout my life. The only time I veered off course LOL! was in 2017 when I bought a Jeep Wrangler. I loved all the attention I got with the Wrangler and all the compliments but I really miss the stability of a Honda. My Wrangler now has around 108,000 and the repairs are starting. Do any of you regret purchasing your Passport? I have tried to look at all the videos and articles on the Passport that I could find. Some people can't believe I would trade in my Wrangler for a Passport but I think it looks amazing!!

Hello! I just came from a JT and a JL prior to that. I must say that the fit and finish are more premium. However they are completely different platforms for vastly different uses. The Wrangler for extreme driving conditions, offering a smaller more capable form factor. The Passport is roomier and feels a bit “sloppier” (keyboard warriors please don’t go crazy) IMHO. The Passport is comfortable, versatile, and a great DD. Long story short, I am happy with my Passport, but there are days I do miss my Jeep. Welcome and enjoy your new vehicle.

 

[crystalcitykid62]

Hi Everyone! I'm new here. I'm planning on buying a 2023 Honda Passport EX-L in the next few days. I'm 44 and have always owned Honda Accords throughout my life. The only time I veered off course LOL! was in 2017 when I bought a Jeep Wrangler. I loved all the attention I got with the Wrangler and all the compliments but I really miss the stability of a Honda. My Wrangler now has around 108,000 and the repairs are starting. Do any of you regret purchasing your Passport? I have tried to look at all the videos and articles on the Passport that I could find. Some people can't believe I would trade in my Wrangler for a Passport but I think it looks amazing!!

2019 Honda has been a winner all the way. Couple of recalls as already discussed in this forum, but handled quickly and professionally. I did change out the 20" wheels and tires for 18" and enjoying the much better ride and handling. The 20" were a big mistake that they corrected in the sport version. Very happy with my Passport!!

 

[fx_chip]

2019 Honda has been a winner all the way. Couple of recalls as already discussed in this forum, but handled quickly and professionally.

I guess that's why the 2019 problems were replicated in the 2020 and 2021 models and also why owners experienced varying degrees of dealer competency on the fixes. New definition of quickly and professionally. 😆

 

[blb]

I got rid of a Grand Cherokee after it needed a few on-the-road repairs during trips at only 40,000 miles. Went to Honda PP for the reliability. Pleased with everything except ride quality with the 20" tires that the Elite comes with. Will be changing them out for 18's down the road. The Elite 540 W sound system is fantastic and I really enjoy the heated steering wheel, the wireless phone charger and the cooled seats will be great for summer road trips. Fuel mileage could be a bit better (22 mpg on highway with a little city driving mixed in) , but they tell me it will get better over time. Only have 1000 miles on it so far. Added stock roof rack cross bars and notice no wind noise from them.

 

[SC_PSTS]

Traded in a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 6300 miles on it that was at the shop more than in my driveway

 

[CC_Marauder]

Traded in a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 6300 miles on it that was at the shop more than in my driveway

That's Stellantis!

My CHRYSLER 2004 Durango SLT 5.7L Hemi 4x2 currently has 156k miles and still running strong. Had the transmission rebuilt and rear differential bearing kit (plus) replaced at 148.9k miles 2.5 years ago, after many hard travel trailer pulling miles all over the Western US.

She has her nicks and blemishes (active lifestyle marks) but still runs very well. No accidents.

No car payments for more than 15+ years. It's going to be tough giving up her up when the time comes...and that time is not even just around the corner.

 

[Type34]

I don't think we've heard from the OP on whether they got a new Passport, but after just acquiring a 2023 EX-L and still having my Jeep Gladiator, I thought I'd chime in.

As a few have mentioned, these are totally different vehicles for totally different purposes. I don't care what the HPD commercials or pamphlets show, the Passport is best for camping and mild trekking. Not a knock, just that's really the intended purpose.

Owning a Jeep is definitely like being in a fraternity. I've owned a lot of vehicles over the years and nothing comes close to the brotherhood nor the attention you receive when owning a Jeep Wrangler or esp Gladiator. My Gladiator has been rock solid, but yes, Jeep is not a Honda. We've owned 9 Acuras for a reason. The cars are bulletproof. But, as we all know, they're also invisible on the road. Honda is the girl next door; Jeep is the high-maintenance hot blonde. Choose wisely.

 

[SC_PSTS]

I don't think we've heard from the OP on whether they got a new Passport, but after just acquiring a 2023 EX-L and still having my Jeep Gladiator, I thought I'd chime in.

As a few have mentioned, these are totally different vehicles for totally different purposes. I don't care what the HPD commercials or pamphlets show, the Passport is best for camping and mild trekking. Not a knock, just that's really the intended purpose.

Owning a Jeep is definitely like being in a fraternity. I've owned a lot of vehicles over the years and nothing comes close to the brotherhood nor the attention you receive when owning a Jeep Wrangler or esp Gladiator. My Gladiator has been rock solid, but yes, Jeep is not a Honda. We've owned 9 Acuras for a reason. The cars are bulletproof. But, as we all know, they're also invisible on the road. Honda is the girl next door; Jeep is the high-maintenance hot blonde. Choose wisely.

Spot on - nothing really compares - maybe a 4Runner or FJ Cruise or a Bronco come somewhat close to a Jeep

I loved my 2022 JGC, great design and car, but the issues had electronically and they couldn’t fix it, I had to move on

 

[Chief65]

I dunno man, Jeeps are pretty much invisible to me but I was in '22 Defender before this so that's probably unheard of on a passport forum. I wouldn't want anything to do with a chrysler product, cheap interior feel and the wrangler has been known for terrible crash test ratings. I understand for off-roading they're formidable but 9 out of 10 people don't go offroad anyway, in my state it's not even legal to go off-road.

On the other hand if you're a younger guy with no kids yet and living around Moab I can 100% understand why you might want one. As stated above totally different types of vehicles, a Grand Cherokee limited would probably be a more apples to apples comparison with a Passport / Trailsport. I haven't test driven a Grand Cherokee but for reliability I don't know how anyone could choose one over a Passport.

 

[Powdertrax]

Speaking of crash tests, I can remember around ‘00 - ‘01 I believe it was Car & Driver was doing a head on crash test with half ton trucks. The tester said that the Dodge performed terribly that was until they test the F150. He went on to say that it was actually the worst damage done to ANY vehicle they tested. The damage smashed the cab back so far that the roof peaked upward 11”

The news crew went to FORD and asked them about it, the FORD rep went on to say that the C&D crash test is not real world. The reporter then asked if FORD believes this is a inaccurate test, why did FORD give the crash high marks when the Taurus was rated Good on that same test, even mentioning it in the Taurus brochurethe rep walked out of the interview.

If anyone is curious the Tundra beat out the other three, stating that the Tundra was the only vehicle that the driver side door could still be opened.

Off topic sort of but I found it interesting, especially since I had just but the ‘00 Tundra.