Touring has folding mirrors too. Elite not worth it IMO
Welcome to the club!Two weeks ago I didn't even know these cars existed, and now I want one. Decided the Elite was the way to go, but I'm having second thoughts. I keep looking at it and wondering what am I really getting for an extra 4.4K? I definitely like the rain sensing wipers and the folding side mirrors, but for that kind of money? The ventilated seats sound nice but I've heard in these forums they're not very good. Heated steering wheel and a wireless phone charging pad. Yeah, ok whatever.
Is there anything I'm missing? Because other that the mirrors it looks like the Touring is much more bang for the buck.
Any thoughts appreciated.
When I asked the question am I missing anything, realize now that yeah, I didn't take into account AWD (which is a must have for me) is standard on the Elite. At least now the 4K makes a little more sense. But I agree completely about the wipers, seats and phone charger. As for the mirrors, the main thing I want is folding, so the Touring checks that off.The added features of the Elite were not overly important to me either, with my rational as follows:
1) Auto-Dimming Heated Mirrors: Never owned a vehicle with them and in So. Cal. they are not really needed and not missed.
2) A/C Seats: My wife has them in here Lexus and never uses them, again, I've never had them in any of my daily drivers, the PP has air conditioning and I used it all the time this summer and not once did I think "wouldn't it be nice to cool my rear as well".
3) The Wireless Phone Charger: First if you want to use Apple Play, the phone needs to be connected via USB, which will charge the phone. Second, it was recently mentioned here that you CANNOT add the CD Player on the Elite because it has the Phone Changer - Well I added the CD player to my Touring as I have a couple of thousand CD's and burn new CD Playlists all the time.
4) Rain Sensing Wipers: I had this feature on my last (2) BMW's and loved it, and would have equally loved to have it on the PP, but I also found that it takes a fraction of a section and very little effort to turn the wipers on. Oh and in So. Cal. we only average something like 8 inches of rain a year.
5) AWD: I got AWD on my Touring
So for me the difference was not $4k, since I got the AWD option. But even so, those 4 features were NOT worth $2k to me, even though I could have easily afforded an Elite! Plus my wife's Lexus RX350 cost $42k (with a $7k discount off of the $49k MSRP) so buying an Elite for MORE MONEY than her Lexus made no sense at all...
When I asked the question am I missing anything, realize now that yeah, I didn't take into account AWD (which is a must have for me) is standard on the Elite. At least now the 4K makes a little more sense. But I agree completely about the wipers, seats and phone charger. As for the mirrors, the main thing I want is folding, so the Touring checks that off.
So, if I went with a Touring AWD, I'd just have to decide if those other features are, as you say, worth 2K.
BTW, I was looking heavily at the RX 350, but the only one I wanted was the F Sport Performance model, which really drives up the price, finally decided it wasn't worth it.
However, I keep studying and seeing other things. Edmunds mentions the Elite having some kind of interior LED lighting that apparently the Touring doesn't have, what is that about?
I'm always willing to drive a bit to get a better deal, say, a 250 mile radius. Can't remember the last time I bought a car in the town I live in. Haven't started looking for AWD Touring yet, so I'm not sure how readily they are available near me.I went AWD if I decide to tow an Airstream Nest one day.
And the LED lighting is so minimal. There is a very subtle glow in the cup holders up front and the front door pocket. It’s so subtle, that if it was a $50 add on, I wouldn’t buy it.
Look into the acoustic glass though. For me, Honda’s have always had a lot of road noise and not sure this is a fake news story about the elite having it and if it really makes a difference? I’ve never had a Honda that runs so quiet on the highway.
Also, are you able to find both models in the color you want? Like I mentioned, that was my deciding factor for the Elite.
I know this is going to sound like a stupid question, but can I assume that the AWD system in the Elite is the same as in the other models? The reason I ask is because other vehicles I've researched recently do have differing systems the higher up you go in trim levels.The interior ambient lighting and acoustic glass comes on the touring models as well. These are the only things the elite has that the touring doesn’t: View attachment 4176
Great question because some makers DO have different AWD systems including honda having the ivtm-4 and Acura having the sh-awd. All of the passports use the same ivtm-4 awd system.I know this is going to sound like a stupid question, but can I assume that the AWD system in the Elite is the same as in the other models? The reason I ask is because other vehicles I've researched recently do have differing systems the higher up you go in trim levels.
totally agree, for only $2,000 more AWD is a no brainer! Unless you never drive in any adverse conditions ever lolIt's the same i-VTM4 awd drive in all models.
The high end elite comes with awd, but it's an option on the other 3 trim levels.
FYI...awd is a must have option.
Yeah, you really have to step up to get that stuff. Originally I wanted that Audi, but the S model cannot be fitted with a trailer hitch, Then I switched to a 2020 Mercedes GLC AMG 43, which aren't available yet in the U.S. Wanted that one really bad, but decided even though I could afford to buy it (barely), having to maintain it in retirement would probably be more than I could deal with. Then I went to a Genesis G80, but wanted the 420hp V8 model, but decided to nix that for the same reason as the Merc. Still wanting luxury and performance but willing to downsize, I went to the RX, but only if I could get the F Sport Performance, which, the closest to me is a 400 mile drive.I get that. I live in So Cal and was willing to go as far as Arizona and Nevada for a Modern Steel Touring, but they were no where back then.
And I have a friend with the Audi, it IS a party! I also have a friend in Denver with a Ford Fiesta...it has better interior lighting than our Passport! He bought it as a cheap commuter car and doesn‘t care what it looked like.