The Official Spare Tire Thread & Questions

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stevenD

Discussion Starter · Mar 7, 2019

Have any of you owners explored the rear area where the mini spare tire is?

I'm wondering if a full size spare will fit in the area?

If it does, it may encroach on the storage ares or even the sub-woofer, but I would really like to get a full size spare tire and would love to put it under the rear deck as to opposed to having it on top of the deck?

Also, does anybody else plan to get a full size spare? If I'm on a long trip to the mountains, 300 miles from home, the last thing I want to do if I have a tire/wheel out of commission, is to put on a mini-spare that is good for 50miles at 55mph...

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Cilles

· #61 · Jun 27, 2020

Jdeans99 said:
I just bought a PP this week and will be putting 17" rims on because I need to travel on long and sometimes rough dirt roads. Modifying the storage area to fit a full height spare is on my list of mods to do. I'm thinking to cut out the plastic around that cargo area so it fits. I'll let people know how that plan goes...

Did you ever do this? I'm not sure it would fit. I don't want to mess with the SubWoofer that is also next to it.

Cilles

· #62 · Jun 27, 2020

Gryphonslair said:
How many others do you know of that with the pull of one pin allows you to do this..........
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to access the back hatch area, (it goes to either side) ,make it easier to take off the spare and remount the flat, and still leave you with a fully functional trailer hitch to carry something like bicycles or pull a trailer of some sort?

I just threw the idea out there for those that might actually need such things for their life style. Ain't no skin off my nose.

What is brand and model of this rear tire mount? from where? The rotate to side might be better than swing down backwards.

Cilles

· #63 · Jun 29, 2020

I just realized that my new 18" wheels use Spline lugs for mounting. Does anyone know if those will work with the stock 20" wheel? I doubt they will. That means they won't work with my donut spare tire if I were to need it! I'm carrying an even more useless spare now!. I gave the black wheel lugs (and a locking one) away when I sold my factory tires and wheels. Now I need to get a new set ASAP in case I need them!

And I was thinking the donut was to work with the original tires and my replacements are only about an inch bigger (½" more lift) so even with the Jsport lift kit is should work for short distances. Useless off road I know but at least if I call AAA to put the spare on in town it should work. When I get the lugnuts for it - or am I missing something?

Anyone know where I can get 5 cheap lug nuts that will work with the 2019 Passport spare donut tire?

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P-A-N-D-A

· #64 · Jun 29, 2020 (Edited)

Cilles said:
I just realized that my new 18" wheels use Spline lugs for mounting. Does anyone know if those will work with the stock 20" wheel? I doubt they will. That means they won't work with my donut spare tire if I were to need it! I'm carrying an even more useless spare now!. I gave the black wheel lugs (and a locking one) away when I sold my factory tires and wheels. Now I need to get a new set ASAP in case I need them!

And I was thinking the donut was to work with the original tires and my replacements are only about an inch bigger (½" more lift) so even with the Jsport lift kit is should work for short distances. Useless off road I know but at least if I call AAA to put the spare on in town it should work. When I get the lugnuts for it - or am I missing something?

Anyone know where I can get 5 cheap lug nuts that will work with the 2019 Passport spare donut tire?

You may be greatly over-thinking this . . .

Don't know what kind of aftermarket wheels you have, but most of them share the same seat pattern as most OEM wheels . . . 60-degree tapered (aka acorn) seat:

The depth and diameter of the lugnut well determines length and diameter of the lugnut required for attaching wheel to hub (of course, lugnut and stud threads must be identical)

However, Honda Passport OEM aluminum wheels use a ball style seat lugnut, where the contact area between wheel and lugnut are more rounded than common taper design.

You stated you have spline drive lugnuts . . . which are typically manufactured with common 60-degree seat, also.
The ONLY difference is the method of attachment, requiring use of an adapter to engage outer surface:

Passport OEM spare tire uses common steel wheel, which has a standard common seat. The only (very unlikely, but possible) issue may be that since steel wheel flange is thinner than most aftermarket non-steel wheels, the wheel stud will have slightly more threaded length exposed, so it is important that your spline-drive lugnuts have adequate depth to fully contact and secure spare wheel to hub.

For vast majority of installations, if your spline-drive lugnuts are 60-degree, everything interconnects . . . . you're worry-free to run over some screws/nails 😲

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Cilles

· #65 · Jun 29, 2020

Wow, thanks for the detailed info! I will try it to be sure but I believe you are correct, they went with Spline types because A) that is what they know (4WD shop) and B) what is used on off-road wheels. It also may have required more depth than the stock lug nuts. Thanks again, excellent info!

ProdGirl

· #66 · Aug 6, 2020

I will never complain about our spare tire again after seeing what the NSX has!

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Cilles

· #67 · Aug 6, 2020

😂

PAULinMA

· #68 · Aug 6, 2020

I guess it's better than no spare tire at all. Audi Q7's with 20" wheels come with run flats and no spare tire. The Q7 and SQ7 that come with 21" wheels get regular tires (not run flats) and no spare tire. No idea what you do when you get a flat in a rural area like driving up to skiing in VT on a cold Friday night. Some BMW's must have the same issue. I just saw an X5 with a full size spare in a Yakima roof basket.

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ProdGirl

· #69 · Aug 6, 2020

PAULinMA said:
I guess it's better than no spare tire at all. Audi Q7's with 20" wheels come with run flats and no spare tire. The Q7 and SQ7 that come with 21" wheels get regular tires (not run flats) and no spare tire. No idea what you do when you get a flat in a rural area like driving up to skiing in VT on a cold Friday night. Some BMW's must have the same issue. I just saw an X5 with a full size spare in a Yakima roof basket.

Yeah, I’ve got a few friends with those fancy run flats...until they run flat and wait hours for a tow truck. Terrible idea!

loosegravel

· #70 · Aug 6, 2020

ProdGirl said:
Yeah, I’ve got a few friends with those fancy run flats...until they run flat and wait hours for a tow truck. Terrible idea!

We test drove an 2020 Ford Edge ST recently, funny thing was it has no spare tire just an air compressor instead! Another good idea.

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Mrevets

· #71 · Aug 6, 2020

loosegravel said:
We test drove an 2020 Ford Edge ST recently, funny thing was it has no spare tire just an air compressor instead! Another good idea.

I guess you are supposed to drive 3 miles, stop, inflate tire, drive 3 miles, stop, inflate tire, repeat until you get to tire store...why not sell a plug kit, tool to take the tire off the rim, balance kit and then you can truly fix the flat on the side of the road... Attn Car Designers- just put the full size spare back into the car - Marketing - advertise your car has a full size spare for safety - you wouldn't want to drive on a donut spare would you? Be safe and have a car with a full size spare...we care about your safety....

stevenD

Discussion Starter · #72 · Aug 6, 2020

I agree, if car makers are doing it to save money, then how about giving the Customer the chance to at buy a full size spare as an accessory...! sheesh..

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ProdGirl

· #73 · Aug 6, 2020

stevenD said:
I agree, if car makers are doing it to save money, then how about giving the Customer the chance to at buy a full size spare as an accessory...! sheesh..

It starts with computer manufacturers removing the CD drive, then the Kensington lock, then USB ports...oh wait, we’re talking about auto manufacturers!

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PAULinMA

· #74 · Aug 7, 2020

I have to defend the donut spare as being better than no spare at all. I was in NYC on business and got a flat tire after hitting a giant rain-filled pothole. Tire sidewall was destroyed so I put on the donut spare. Started out driving around 60 mph on it but lost patience after half an hour. Drove the next 4 hours at around 75 mph. When I got home I was amazed to see it didn't look worn at all. I recall Car & Driver did an abusive test of donut spare tires and found them to be really durable.

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ProdGirl

· #75 · Aug 7, 2020

PAULinMA said:
I have to defend the donut spare as being better than no spare at all. I was in NYC on business and got a flat tire after hitting a giant rain-filled pothole. Tire sidewall was destroyed so I put on the donut spare. Started out driving around 60 mph on it but lost patience after half an hour. Drove the next 4 hours at around 75 mph. When I got home I was amazed to see it didn't look worn at all. I recall Car & Driver did an abusive test of donut spare tires and found them to be really durable.

Thats comforting! I don’t think we've heard from anyone who used the spare.

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Mrevets

· #76 · Aug 7, 2020

I had to install my FULL SIZE spare on my 2012 RAV4 a couple of years ago. Ran over something on the road that sliced the tire, ended up replacing the tire. I agree on having a spare is better than no spare...I had complete peace of mind knowing I had a full size spare installed and not to worry about speed or how long it was going to take to repair the flat.

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JRJ

· #77 · Nov 7, 2020

ProdGirl said:
I will be sure to update you guys this week with what 714 says.

I realize this is months old but did you ever get a response about this? I see in earlier posts on this thread, a few other people said they might try a modification of cargo area- wondering if anyone has info on results or attempt.

I can't get the spare tire ( lack of a full size) off my mind. Hadn't given it much thought until recently and now it's bothering the crap of me. I'm not sure I've ever owned a vehicle with a doughnut and honestly I would just accept it if we never went off the pavement... but we do. Not rock crawling or the like, but we like to explore. I can't imagine being in the boonies and have to use the doughnut. I've had roof baskets/boxes in the past but don't want it on the PP- we really don't have the need anymore- and my personal preference is I do not like the rear mounts, swing or fold down.

I'm thinking this spring that raising the floor is the solution for me. Looks like 4 inches would be the target. That sounds like a lot but there is still a ton of room in there. I did a little mockup and think it would still work great for us. It's going to be that or a tire in a bag in the back.

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ProdGirl

· #78 · Nov 7, 2020

JRJ said:
I realize this is months old but did you ever get a response about this? I see in earlier posts on this thread, a few other people said they might try a modification of cargo area- wondering if anyone has info on results or attempt.

I can't get the spare tire ( lack of a full size) off my mind. Hadn't given it much thought until recently and now it's bothering the crap of me. I'm not sure I've ever owned a vehicle with a doughnut and honestly I would just accept it if we never went off the pavement... but we do. Not rock crawling or the like, but we like to explore. I can't imagine being in the boonies and have to use the doughnut. I've had roof baskets/boxes in the past but don't want it on the PP- we really don't have the need anymore- and my personal preference is I do not like the rear mounts, swing or fold down.

I'm thinking this spring that raising the floor is the solution for me. Looks like 4 inches would be the target. That sounds like a lot but there is still a ton of room in there. I did a little mockup and think it would still work great for us. It's going to be that or a tire in a bag in the back.

I was able to get it up on a lift, there is something under the tire, maybe a strut, can’t recall exactly, but it can’t be cut and then the full size tire lowered. The only option would be to cut out the cargo area above the spare. But that didn’t work for me as I haul so much crap in my vehicles when traveling for work or fun. So, I‘m at the mercy of the Michelin 24/7 road side service that I will hopefully never have to use! It is the 2nd bad flaw on our vehicles, but not many options to fix it.

JRJ

· #79 · Nov 7, 2020

Appreciate the update and as I expected. I was under vehicle today and didn’t really see a viable option.

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ProdGirl

· #80 · Nov 7, 2020

JRJ said:
Appreciate the update and as I expected. I was under vehicle today and didn’t really see a viable option.

Yeah, it was a lame fail on Honda. As you mentioned, there’s plenty of space if it was all designed just with a bit more thought. Keep me posted if you think of Anything.

Another new discussion started a few days ago about roof mounting or tow hitch mounting a spare. Did you see it?

www.passportforums.com

Ideal/Best Location to mount a Full Size Spare

I've just ordered a full sized spare for my Passport. Thinking of getting a hitch mount for it (similar to the one pictured and linked below). I would probably spring for a swing away version though. Anyone have any similar ideas, experience, or opinions about it? My Passport has the...

www.passportforums.com

www.passportforums.com

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