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Another thing: my installer had to cut the original (door) speakers to remove the mounting brackets (I did not see what was removed, but I do have one of the OEM speakers). The removed mounting brackets were used to mount the new speakers. So others may need to do this as well or perhaps there are after market brackets that places like Crutchfield sells to the self-installers.

Methinks something is very wrong with that. I replaced all 4 doors myself and there is ZERO reason to damage anything. There is a simple plastic ring that uses two plastic points and a screw to secure to the door, and the speakers screw to that. Unscrew speakers from bracket and then unscrew the single screw to remove bracket. To install any new speaker, there is a simple replacement plastic spacer ring that costs 10 dollars per pair, made by Metra and fits multiple Hondas. Anything from components to coax can fit depending on mounting depth. The back of the door panel grill must be trimmed for really tall speakers and you could probably use a wider spacer ring for deeper mounting depth.
 

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Sorry for so many consecutive posts, wrapping up my project here. Dynamat or equiv. and poly fill made a noticeable difference in the stock sub depth. Thought people might like to know.
 

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Here is a 30-day update on my Focal Speaker upgrade: They are breaking-in/burn-in and starting to sound even better!

Apparently the tweeters are known for being super bright and the installer seems to think he set the Crossover (for the Tweeter) at +3.

Since the Crossover range is -3 to +3, I made an appointment for Jan 3, 2020, to have them set the Crossovers at -3, which should be fine in my estimate.

I'll post another update down the road...

Cheers!
 

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Hello music fans and happy new year! Well, as stated in my previous post, I visited my Car Stereo Shop yesterday and had them set my Crossovers to -3db.

60-Day UPDATE: With the combination of the Tweeters being "dialed-down" and the speakers well into their "break-in" period, I have to say that I am super happy with my speaker upgrade, would do it again in a second and highly recommend these Focal speakers or any other speaker upgrade over the stock speakers for Audiophiles!

As for my settings;
Center Channel: All the way towards "OFF" - I want to hear the left & right stereo channels - NOT a blended channel.
Sub Woofer: +1 Click
Bass: +1 Click
Midrange: +1 Click
Treble: Flat (Center)
Fader: +2 Clicks towards the Rear
Left/Right: Center
DSP: Off

The stock speakers sound really good for most people and if you only listen to news, sports and weather, they do a wonderful job and I see no reason to upgrade the speakers.

Cheers and feel free to ask anything questions...
 
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Thank you for sharing the information on your install. I also have a Touring AWD and have a question in reference to the rear speaker install locations. From the rear passengers perspective, how does the separation of having the mid bass in the door and the tweeter behind you sound? Are the high frequencies exaggerated for them? Was debating on how eliminating the rear pillar speakers and just putting coaxes in the rear doors would sound instead.
 

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As I stated in an earlier post to this Passport Forum, I was very unhappy with the "upgrade" stereo in the my Passport Touring. For the first few months of owning my Passport, I tried my best to get used to this compromised listening experience. To me, although not awful, this so-called "premium" audio system was mediocre & very disappointing to the ears of someone who greatly appreciates the nuances of quality sound reproduction.
I started out thinking to replace only the front & rear speakers but this led to the issue of the original low performance 2 ohm OEM speakers & the problem that most higher-end aftermarket speakers are most typically 4 ohm & would cut the OEM 525 watt amplifier power substantially (50%?). So, unfortunately, if I wanted to truly upgrade my Passport's sound I needed to not only replace the speakers I also needed new amplifiers to power them.
A number of months ago I received a small amount of inheritance money so I decided to proceed with a full speaker & amplifier sound system upgrade.
Being an "older" guy with significant back & hip problems, this upgrade is not something that I could physically do myself. So I worked with a custom sound aftermarket company located in my area that I had previously used for 3 different car sound system upgrades.
The front component speakers were replaced with Hertz Mille Pro MPK 165.3 that I had removed from a previous vehicle. These Hertz Mille's are 4 ohm component speakers with a 1" tweeter & a 6.5" midrange/woofer. They reproduce excellent upper range highs with fantastic mid-bass. Dynamat was used around the 6.5" speaker in the lower door.
The rear lower door speakers were also replaced by speakers that I had removed from a previous vehicle. They are 6.5" Hertz Cento Pro CPX 165 coaxial speaker that provide very nice rear "fill" sound for the main Mille Pro's being used upfront. Dynamat was also used.
Powering these new 4 ohm replacement speakers with the Passport's stock OEM amplifier was not the best upgrade option so we used an Audio Control D-6-1200 (a 6 channel Digital Sound Processing Matrix Amplilier) to power the six (6) speakers in the doors. The front tweeters were disconnected from the 6.5" front lower door speakers & power from the DSP amp was wired directly to the tweeters. This 6 channel DSP amp provides 125 watts per channel at 4 ohms for a total of 750 watts (2 tweeters & 4 - 6.5" door speakers). The Audio Control was located underheath the front passenger seat.
We also replaced the stock rear 8" subwoofer with a Kenwood [model KFC-XW800F) 4 ohm "slim" subwoofer powered by its own Audio Control Micro Amplifier ACM-1.300 (175 watts at 4 ohms). This sub Amp is located in the right back wheel well near the rear hatch. So as not to give up any of the rear trunk storage area, the plastic subwoofer housing of the original OEM sub was used but was reinforced as much as possible & additionally with some Dynamat. This bass setup does NOT provide the deep bass "kick" in the chest that my big-ass home subwoofer does, but you can certainly feel some nice lower level "thump". Unfortunately, this sub setup caused some "resonance" issues that required some additional after installation tinkering to correct. Dynamat needed to be installed around my rear driver side tailight & around some other trunk areas that were also vibrating.
The front center dashboard speaker is not wired into this system but had to be left active thru the Passport's original amp to provide sound for phone & GPS navigation. The 3" speakers in the rear trunk columns were left in place but are not connected to the new system. There are not a lot of 3" replacement speakers available that are 4 ohm & I didn't have the money to replace them. Sinse the Audio Control's 6 channels of power were directly wired to the 2 front tweeters, to the 2 front 6.5" mid/woofers & to the 2 rear door 6.5" door speakers nothing was available to power the 2 rear column speakers.
Overall cost was approximately $2100 not including the 2 sets of speakers that were used from a previous vehicle's system (add $700 for speakers).
Once removed, it was easy to see that the the original stock 2 ohm OEM speakers were an insult to the concept of quality sound reproduction. The magnets in these OEM speakers were a featherweight embarrasment. Installation was about 3 months ago.
After some tuning by my installer to match my personal listening preferences & to adjust to vehicle acoustical challenges, this new upgrade system system sound is AWESOME with a legitimate 925 watts of power available (at 4 ohms RMS)!!
 

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That sounds awesome Dhkzr2019, Did you end up disabling the ANC?

Where are you located? I'd love to hear it...!
 

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Very inspiring post, stevenD! I am interesting in doing an upgrade like yours. I've read over your post a couple times to scrape as much info as I could, so forgive me if I am asking something you've already wrote.

1) So, the Focal Performance 165AS is a set of speakers, and I'll need 2 sets, correct? Will that give me the 8 speakers that I need to replace the 8 speakers you recommend replacing?

2) You only replaced the speakers, right? I didn't see where you mentioned an amp, so the OEM amp was enough for you?

3) You mentioned that the installer had to cut the bracket to get the door speakers in, but someone else said that wasn't necessary. Can you (or someone) else verify if these speakers can be installed without modification? I really don't want to cut up my 2020 Passport that just crossed the 1000 mile mark! :oops:

4) Did you ever disable the ANC? Five months ago you said you weren't going to, but I wonder if you changed your mind. If so, has it made a difference in interior noise (louder) or music quality (better) improvement?
 

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1) So, the Focal Performance 165AS is a set of speakers, and I'll need 2 sets, correct? Will that give me the 8 speakers that I need to replace the 8 speakers you recommend replacing?
Yes, each set (or pair) of Speakers = 2 woofers, 2 tweeters and two crossovers. This was slightly different than the two others here, one person, went with Coaxials in his rear doors, which he says sounds fine. And while I believe him, you have to remember two things: (1) Tweeters are very "directional" and having two of the same as your front tweeters installed in the rear C Pillers, facing forward will ensure you are enveloped with the "highs" and (2) I am not completely convinced that Coax Tweeters are the same as the Front Tweeters, so they may have different specs and could have some blending issues! So again, I highly recommend using the exact same speakers Front & Back.

2) You only replaced the speakers, right? I didn't see where you mentioned an amp, so the OEM amp was enough for you?
Yes, but you have to find speakers that work with low power, the model Focals I got only require 6 watts minimum, which the Passport has no problem. Of course an amp would be better, but it would significantly increase the cost, the other two guys here who did major upgrades spent about $3k & $10K (my estimates, not theirs). So again, I figured I could walways add an Amp later, if the stock Amp did not perform. Lastly, looking at the Speakers you need to NOT only go by the Ohm Load, you need to look at the Minimum Power Rating (don't get ones that need 75wpc) and the Sensitivity Rating (this is the amount of sound the speaker will produce @ 1w) - the higher the number, the more efficient the speaker is. All of these are important UNLESS you are going to use an external Amp.

3) You mentioned that the installer had to cut the bracket to get the door speakers in, but someone else said that wasn't necessary. Can you (or someone) else verify if these speakers can be installed without modification? I really don't want to cut up my 2020 Passport that just crossed the 1000 mile mark! :oops:
No problem, there was no cutting on the Passport, the guy said he just cut away some brackets on the stock speakers, someone else said they make aftermarket mounting brackets, but using the ones off the old speakers 9that were going in the trash anyway) did not affect anything.

4) Did you ever disable the ANC? Five months ago you said you weren't going to, but I wonder if you changed your mind. If so, has it made a difference in interior noise (louder) or music quality (better) improvement?
Again, most all of the people complaining about the ANC comes when you REPLACE the existing Sub, which I did not. I listened to songs with heavy, clear Bass, with the car OFF and listened to the same songs on the freeway at 60mph and this old (100+ Concert) ears could not tell a difference, so I left the ANC alone, maybe someday I'll disconnect it for "S&G", but I'm very happy with the stereo as it is.

Hope that helps, anything else, please hit me up...
 
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Thanks stevenD. I plan on doing your exact same upgrade to my 2020 Elite, hoping I can do it myself since I have no car audio specialists in my area.
 

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Thanks stevenD. I plan on doing your exact same upgrade to my 2020 Elite, hoping I can do it myself since I have no car audio specialists in my area.
Take your time and you should be fine.. and keep me (us) updated
 

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Thanks, I will! I just ordered 2 sets of Focal Performance 165AS speakers from Crutchfield. I think I've scavenged up enough info on door panel and pillar removal to be successful. Next week should be fun!
 

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COOL..btw, I left a review of them on Crutchfiled, did ya see it? (It has my name and I say PASSPORT)!..

Oh, and be sure to put some sound deadening in all the doors, even if it is just around the Focals...
 

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Hmmm, okay so I plan on sending these Focal Performance 165AS back. Here's the problems I had with them:

1) The mounting brackets (for the woofers) shipped by Crutchfield do not fit without modification. That by itself is not a big deal, but anyone without a Dremel is going to need to buy one. There are tabs that need to be cut off for the speaker to fit within the bracket.

2) The tweeters have no way of mounting to the A pillar. I mean, they fit into the original hole just fine, but there is no way to secure them in place. None of the options that came with the speakers worked. I wasn't about to hit it with a hot glue gun, and I don't have any fabrication equipment that could be used to make a bracket to hold it in place. I wonder how yours were done, stevenD?

3) I am completely unsure about how to setup the crossover unit. I would think that Honda's head unit already has a crossover processor in it since it must intelligently know how to drive the pillar tweeters separately from the door woofers. That said, it would take some crafty wiring to rewire the pillar tweeters to the a crossover modelue mounted in the door. Way above my pay grade, for sure.

4) Even after I got the front door woofer mounted and the door put back together, I did some testing. Moving the fader and balance around to isolate the sound from the new front right speaker, then to the old front left speaker, I noticed the new speaker does require significantly more volume to get it to sound the same as the old speaker. Once the volume is high enough, yeah, the Focal Performance speaker did sound tighter & punchier. Just not enough for me to justify the expense of $380 x 2.

Anyway, I'm not done with the idea of obtaining better Passport audio, but I don't think I am going to go it myself. When I have the money, I'll find a reputable audio shop and have them sell me a system as well as do the install themselves.
 

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Hmmm, okay so I plan on sending these Focal Performance 165AS back. Here's the problems I had with them:

Anyway, I'm not done with the idea of obtaining better Passport audio, but I don't think I am going to go it myself. When I have the money, I'll find a reputable audio shop and have them sell me a system as well as do the install themselves.
Oh man, sorry to hear that, like I said, I had a shop do it and I was not standing there, so they may have very well siliconed everything in place. Oh, well, keep us updated when you do get upgraded...!
 

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Hello music fans and happy new year! Well, as stated in my previous post, I visited my Car Stereo Shop yesterday and had them set my Crossovers to -3db.

60-Day UPDATE: With the combination of the Tweeters being "dialed-down" and the speakers well into their "break-in" period, I have to say that I am super happy with my speaker upgrade, would do it again in a second and highly recommend these Focal speakers or any other speaker upgrade over the stock speakers for Audiophiles!

As for my settings;
Center Channel: All the way towards "OFF" - I want to hear the left & right stereo channels - NOT a blended channel.
Sub Woofer: +1 Click
Bass: +1 Click
Midrange: +1 Click
Treble: Flat (Center)
Fader: +2 Clicks towards the Rear
Left/Right: Center
DSP: Off

The stock speakers sound really good for most people and if you only listen to news, sports and weather, they do a wonderful job and I see no reason to upgrade the speakers.

Cheers and feel free to ask anything questions...
So what was the total cost for installing the Focus speakers/crossovers and would anybody recommend Best Buy to do the install? I'm a little skeptical on their ability to do a quality installation with out damaging my PP Elite. I live in the Chicagoland area (extreme south). Also can you share any pictures of your beautiful install?
 

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So what was the total cost for installing the Focus speakers/crossovers and would anybody recommend Best Buy to do the install? I'm a little skeptical on their ability to do a quality installation with out damaging my PP Elite. I live in the Chicagoland area (extreme south). Also can you share any pictures of your beautiful install?
As dumb as this sounds, I (somehow) can't send a picture from mi iPhone X to my gmail account on my computer, so any Focal pics are going to have to wait, however, the only Focal speaker (grill) you can see is the one in the A-Pillars, the ones behind the doors are hidden behind the door panels and the ones in the C-Pillars are behind the OEM grill.

I would let a pro do the install be it a regular car audio shop or Best Buy. I would not recommend using the stock crossovers, the OEM Amp is handling the crossover points and I'm getting mine redone tomorrow!
 
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Hmmm, okay so I plan on sending these Focal Performance 165AS back. Here's the problems I had with them:

1) The mounting brackets (for the woofers) shipped by Crutchfield do not fit without modification. That by itself is not a big deal, but anyone without a Dremel is going to need to buy one. There are tabs that need to be cut off for the speaker to fit within the bracket.

2) The tweeters have no way of mounting to the A pillar. I mean, they fit into the original hole just fine, but there is no way to secure them in place. None of the options that came with the speakers worked. I wasn't about to hit it with a hot glue gun, and I don't have any fabrication equipment that could be used to make a bracket to hold it in place. I wonder how yours were done, stevenD?

3) I am completely unsure about how to setup the crossover unit. I would think that Honda's head unit already has a crossover processor in it since it must intelligently know how to drive the pillar tweeters separately from the door woofers. That said, it would take some crafty wiring to rewire the pillar tweeters to the a crossover modelue mounted in the door. Way above my pay grade, for sure.

4) Even after I got the front door woofer mounted and the door put back together, I did some testing. Moving the fader and balance around to isolate the sound from the new front right speaker, then to the old front left speaker, I noticed the new speaker does require significantly more volume to get it to sound the same as the old speaker. Once the volume is high enough, yeah, the Focal Performance speaker did sound tighter & punchier. Just not enough for me to justify the expense of $380 x 2.

Anyway, I'm not done with the idea of obtaining better Passport audio, but I don't think I am going to go it myself. When I have the money, I'll find a reputable audio shop and have them sell me a system as well as do the install themselves.
I believe Crutchfield provides you the Scosche plastic speaker mount brackets. That's what I purchased for my previous 2014 Accord EX-L and yes they did require modification to fit. The plastic mounting bracket is easy enough to modify using heavy duty diagonal pliers and steel files to smooth it out. Just an option for anyone that doesn't have a Dremel or rotary tool.
 
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