The moving before going into park does seem wrong, it should not even move in the first place! And that seems very fixable too. :-|
Scary Feature--Dangerous Feature?
Guys,
Need some counsel. Had a startling experience with a feature of the 2020 Passport recently and the more I thought about it, the more it seemed that it might actually be a dangerous feature on at least two counts.
My wife had parked the car and I realized as we walked away it wasn't quite in the right position. So I walked back and got in the driver's seat and started the car, put it in reverse and started moving backwards. Unbeknownst to me (didn't notice the warning on the dash in front of me since I was backing up) I hadn't apparently gotten the drivers door all the way shut. The car immediately slammed itself into park and stopped while moving. I tried it again, and it happened again. By this time I was out in the street a little, so I put it into drive and the car started moving and then slammed into park and stopped. Anyway, this happened four or five times until I saw the warning on the dashboard and realized that my door wasn't latched tightly. It turns out this is a "feature", apparently if the seatbelt isn't hooked.
As my group started to think about the experience, we thought of a situation where a woman would be in the car and a carjacker might jerk the door open. It would immediately immobilize the car, and there would be no way for her to drive away. Opening the doors slams the car into park even if you have begun to move if you haven't had time (for example) to put on the seatbelt (say, in an emergency). She would be trapped just by the carjacker jerking the door open. The other problem is that...that can't be good for the transmission to slam itself into park while rolling slowly forward or backward. I was really puzzled by this feature and haven't figured out a way to turn it off. Anyone?
Need some counsel. Had a startling experience with a feature of the 2020 Passport recently and the more I thought about it, the more it seemed that it might actually be a dangerous feature on at least two counts.
My wife had parked the car and I realized as we walked away it wasn't quite in the right position. So I walked back and got in the driver's seat and started the car, put it in reverse and started moving backwards. Unbeknownst to me (didn't notice the warning on the dash in front of me since I was backing up) I hadn't apparently gotten the drivers door all the way shut. The car immediately slammed itself into park and stopped while moving. I tried it again, and it happened again. By this time I was out in the street a little, so I put it into drive and the car started moving and then slammed into park and stopped. Anyway, this happened four or five times until I saw the warning on the dashboard and realized that my door wasn't latched tightly. It turns out this is a "feature", apparently if the seatbelt isn't hooked.
As my group started to think about the experience, we thought of a situation where a woman would be in the car and a carjacker might jerk the door open. It would immediately immobilize the car, and there would be no way for her to drive away. Opening the doors slams the car into park even if you have begun to move if you haven't had time (for example) to put on the seatbelt (say, in an emergency). She would be trapped just by the carjacker jerking the door open. The other problem is that...that can't be good for the transmission to slam itself into park while rolling slowly forward or backward. I was really puzzled by this feature and haven't figured out a way to turn it off. Anyone?
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How to turn it off. Shut the door, put on the seatbelt. The idea is to keep the driver from falling out of a moving vehicle.
As for the car jacker scenario. The first thing one would/should do, if such a situation should present itself, is to lock the car door(s) upon entering the vehicle. With the doors locked, bad guy can't jerk the door open and side windows don't smash that easy. There is no way someone can enter a vehicle, start it and start to drive off faster than they can enter and just lock the doors. The locked doors buys the person time to start the vehicle and drive off, and you can drive off without the seatbelts fastened if the doors are shut and locked.
As for being in a car and someone jerking the door open you can customize the settings so that the doors lock when you shift from park.
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And no if someone is stopped in an operating vehicle with their seat belt fastened then opening the doors will not shift the vehicle to park.
As for the car jacker scenario. The first thing one would/should do, if such a situation should present itself, is to lock the car door(s) upon entering the vehicle. With the doors locked, bad guy can't jerk the door open and side windows don't smash that easy. There is no way someone can enter a vehicle, start it and start to drive off faster than they can enter and just lock the doors. The locked doors buys the person time to start the vehicle and drive off, and you can drive off without the seatbelts fastened if the doors are shut and locked.
As for being in a car and someone jerking the door open you can customize the settings so that the doors lock when you shift from park.
And no if someone is stopped in an operating vehicle with their seat belt fastened then opening the doors will not shift the vehicle to park.
That’s enough pp forum for me tonight. 
I have had my Passport, 27 months and this has never happened to me, I don't car makers can build in every possible scenario for their vehicles, so to prevent this in the future, either park correctly the first time, or see that you need to realign BEFORE turning it off (which is what I do a lot, as the Passport in the largest vehicle I've owned over the previous 16 years) or simply make sure your door is closed and your buckled in (if needed) - before backing up...
Sorry, I just don't see this as a big issue...
Cheers
Sorry, I just don't see this as a big issue...
Cheers
This "park" feature makes me wonder how a tech can change the tranny fluid, because the car needs to be in the air, engine running, wheels spinning, until the tranny temp reaches 104 -114 degrees, before he tops off the fluid level. Must be something with disabling the VSA.
It's safe to visit a known high risk car jacking area, if your car has a manual transmission, according to a 2020 Volkswagen commercial.
It's safe to visit a known high risk car jacking area, if your car has a manual transmission, according to a 2020 Volkswagen commercial.
Hook the seatbelt problem solved.This "park" feature makes me wonder how a tech can change the tranny fluid, because the car needs to be in the air, engine running, wheels spinning, until the tranny temp reaches 104 -114 degrees, before he tops off the fluid level. Must be something with disabling the VSA.
It's safe to visit a known high risk car jacking area, if your car has a manual transmission, according to a 2020 Volkswagen commercial.
Wife's PP and I'm not familiar with it. Does it not beep at you when the seatbelt is un-fastened?
Yes..Wife's PP and I'm not familiar with it. Does it not beep at you when the seatbelt is un-fastened?
Shut the door and it doesn't happen, mine will not come out of park if the door is open......
This is a simple well thought out safety feature. Honda engineers have high expectations for adult. They expect them to operate their vehicles in the prescribe manner, in this case door shut and/or seat belt fastened.
They also understand that children, especially young children like to emulate their parents. That can be good or that can be bad. A 2-3 year old child can grasp the basics of what mommy or daddy do when they drive a car. They put a key in a hole and turn it, they move a lever or push a button and it moves and the turn that big wheel thing. All simple concepts that they observe on a daily basis. They want to be like mommy or daddy and drive the car.
Mommies and Daddies have a bad habit of being lazy. Ever get out of your car and leave the keys in it, or leave it running to go back into the house and get something or to go in and see someone? Some people who garage their cars leave the keys in the car because it is locked in the garage or leave their keys out on a table.
This is not a made up scenario but factual one. I know because I worked the case. Mom pulls into a driveway tells 3 & 7 year old to stay in the car will be right back out leaves car running. Stopped to see Grandma. 7 year old isn't paying attention to 3 year old. 3 year old crawls over the seat and pretends to drive. Manages, we never knew how, to shift the car into reverse, car starts to move and panics. 3 year old tries to get out of the vehicle and opens the door, falling out right under the vehicle. I won't bother going into the gory details.
This was an older vehicle that didn't have such safety features as this one that Honda has implemented. If it did an entire family wouldn't have been stricken with this tragedy.
Honda's thinking is simple. Vehicle goes into park if there is nothing telling it that something, ie closed door or latched seat belt, will keep someone from falling out of a moving vehicle, A fully closed door or a latched seatbelt is enough to over ride the system.
They also understand that children, especially young children like to emulate their parents. That can be good or that can be bad. A 2-3 year old child can grasp the basics of what mommy or daddy do when they drive a car. They put a key in a hole and turn it, they move a lever or push a button and it moves and the turn that big wheel thing. All simple concepts that they observe on a daily basis. They want to be like mommy or daddy and drive the car.
Mommies and Daddies have a bad habit of being lazy. Ever get out of your car and leave the keys in it, or leave it running to go back into the house and get something or to go in and see someone? Some people who garage their cars leave the keys in the car because it is locked in the garage or leave their keys out on a table.
This is not a made up scenario but factual one. I know because I worked the case. Mom pulls into a driveway tells 3 & 7 year old to stay in the car will be right back out leaves car running. Stopped to see Grandma. 7 year old isn't paying attention to 3 year old. 3 year old crawls over the seat and pretends to drive. Manages, we never knew how, to shift the car into reverse, car starts to move and panics. 3 year old tries to get out of the vehicle and opens the door, falling out right under the vehicle. I won't bother going into the gory details.
This was an older vehicle that didn't have such safety features as this one that Honda has implemented. If it did an entire family wouldn't have been stricken with this tragedy.
Honda's thinking is simple. Vehicle goes into park if there is nothing telling it that something, ie closed door or latched seat belt, will keep someone from falling out of a moving vehicle, A fully closed door or a latched seatbelt is enough to over ride the system.
As long as the doors closed , the seat belt does nothing to do with it driving away....
Correct and as long as the seat belt is fastened the door does not have to be closed to drive away...As long as the doors closed , the seat belt does nothing to do with it driving away....
Whatever you want to call it, Auto Park or Automatic Rollaway Protection is not exclusive to the Passport . . . or Honda . . . it has been adopted by many manufacturers, due to things like this.
Keyless ignitions and shift-by-wire transmissions electronic transmissions are the primary reason, resulting in the NHTSA and DOT pressuring manufacturers to:
Similar system already in place by other manufacturers, like Tesla, Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Ram, Jeep, Toyota, and others.
Keyless ignitions and shift-by-wire transmissions electronic transmissions are the primary reason, resulting in the NHTSA and DOT pressuring manufacturers to:
A) Install technology in each motor vehicle with a keyless ignition device and an internal combustion engine to automatically shut off the motor vehicle after the motor vehicle has idled for a period necessary to prevent carbon monoxide poisoning
B) Install a keyless ignition device and automatic transmission to prevent movement (i.e., rollaway) of the motor vehicle if:
(1) the transmission of the motor vehicle is not in the park setting,
(2) the motor vehicle does not exceed the speed determined by DOT,
(3) the door for the operator of the motor vehicle is open,
(4) the seat belt of the operator of the motor vehicle is unbuckled, and
(5) the service brake of the motor vehicle is not engaged.
Similar system already in place by other manufacturers, like Tesla, Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Ram, Jeep, Toyota, and others.
It's a safety feature but an annoying safety feature. My BMW does the same thing.Correct and as long as the seat belt is fastened the door does not have to be closed to drive away...
I added a short buckle (only) extender into the seat belt to bypass it.
I haven’t driven my Passport in the snow, so it was never dirty and I like to get it hand washed. My question is what happens at a car wash? These attendants don’t were a belt to pull your car in.
I don't think you want to use one of those kind of car washes with brushes and a chain to move the car.....
Steve, I noted in trying to find something out about this problem that in the manual there is a special function for using in car washes. It has something to do with holding the brake down and pressing Neutral for two seconds, and then pressing neutral again, if I recall. I would have to look it up again to be sure.I haven’t driven my Passport in the snow, so it was never dirty and I like to get it hand washed. My question is what happens at a car wash? These attendants don’t were a belt to pull your car in.
Ok, I’ll have to look. Sometimes during the winter I go to this car wash that washes it by hand and then it goes through the wash to get rinsed off. I wonder How many cars that weren’t put in that mode and dragged through the wash.Steve, I noted in trying to find something out about this problem that in the manual there is a special function for using in car washes. It has something to do with holding the brake down and pressing Neutral for two seconds, and then pressing neutral again, if I recall. I would have to look it up again to be sure.
I think we need to go back to the old shifter, life was simple and didn't need a tool to put it in neutral if the battery goes dead and you could go through any car wash without a play book
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