[Gray_Beard]

I'm thinking of replacing the standard scissor jack with a bottle jack. My passport doesn't have a lifted suspension but I am running with 265/60-R18 tires. Curious to those who have done this, what you your recommendations be
What size jack are you using?
Are you using some sort of adapter for the pinch weld lifting point?

 

[carpayments4life]

Try the 4000 pound version of this...PowerBuilt bottle jack with built in stand

The 4000 pound version ($60) needs 8 5/8" clearance. The AWD Touring has 11 1/2", at the jack point. When the tire is flat the clearance is reduced, so it might be close.
The 4000 pound version goes up as high as 18 1/2" and the Touring needs to go up 16 1/4" to get the tire off.

The 6000 pound version ($67) needs 11 1/2 " of clearance to get it under the jack point and I don't think it would be useful changing a flat tire.

I'd hide and lock 2 of them (15 lbs ea.), inside the hollow hitch area, under the rear.

 

[thegr8wendt]

I'd hide and lock 2 of them (15 lbs ea.), inside the hollow hitch area, under the rear.

Curious how you would "hide" one of these in the hollow hitch area when the largest point is 5"x5" then tapers off. The Powerbuilt jacks have a 9" base.

 

[carpayments4life]

I did test-fit a 7 1/2" x 7" x 13" tall Harbor Freight jack stand, with no issues.
The PowerBuilt jack would have to rest on its side, up against the floor pan. The 9 inch side would be parallel with floor pan and the 7 inch side would drop down from the floor pan. I'd glue some of a swimming pool noodle against the floor pan and squeeze the jack against it, to eliminate rattles. The lever handles would store in the rear tray.

From the floor pan down to the bottom of the hitch (not the receiver), is 7 inches. From the bottom of the hitch to the bottom of the plastic bumper cover is 2 1/4 inches.

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[thegr8wendt]

I did test-fit a 7 1/2" x 7" x 13" tall Harbor Freight jack stand, with no issues.
The PowerBuilt jack would have to rest on its side, up against the floor pan. The 9 inch side would be parallel with floor pan and the 7 inch side would drop down from the floor pan. I'd glue some of a swimming pool noodle against the floor pan and squeeze the jack against it, to eliminate rattles. The lever handles would store in the rear tray.

From the floor pan down to the bottom of the hitch (not the receiver), is 7 inches. From the bottom of the hitch to the bottom of the plastic bumper cover is 2 1/4 inches.

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Cool, I'd love to see a pic

 

[HarveyW]

I'm thinking of replacing the standard scissor jack with a bottle jack. My passport doesn't have a lifted suspension but I am running with 265/60-R18 tires. Curious to those who have done this, what you your recommendations be
What size jack are you using?
Are you using some sort of adapter for the pinch weld lifting point?

Keep in mind that if you are using it for roadside emergencies then you will not need as much lift height as you will if you use it under the front or rear center lift points.

Something like this should do you just fine for roadside emergency tire changes.

Torin® Big Red 6 Ton Bottle Jack

This 6 ton bottle jack with a high quality glide action pressure pump is ideal for lifting farm vehicles, heavy-duty machinery, industrial construction equipment and other hard-hitting commercial uses. 100% factory tested for reliability and safety to meet ASME safety standards.

www.menards.com

I also keep one of these with the jack. Quick to attach and provides extra stability:

 

[Gray_Beard]

This would definitely be for road side emergencies only. I have a floor jack, jack stands, ramps, and creepers for the garage. It's amazing what you can collect in 40+ years, especially when you service them and take care of them.
Like I said this would replace having to use the scissor jack to change a flat tire. Bear in mind I would still keep the OEM scissor jack where it is, it's out of the way so why get rid of it. Live by the motto "better to have and not need, than need and not have." I just hate using scissor jacks, their awkward and a pain in the a$$ to use plus their dangerous.
I'm leaning towards the 4000 pound Powerbuilt because it's low enough to get under the frame with a flat and tall enough to clear to get a tire on. I like the security of a jack stand that locks plus it appears to have a large footprint for that extra stability. I would probably stow it in the under floor storage along with my jump starter, air compressor and tool bag.

I do appreciate the responses and insight.

 

[npeckio]

I just got this so i wont have to use scissor jack again. it works, not too $$, ... works ok, quality is fair. i wrapped it in bubble wrap and stored in rear cubie. i will just barrow someones hi lift jack if i puton my own snow tires lol.

4000 Lb. Unijack Bottle Jack & Jackstand in One

The Powerbuilt Unijack is the world's first and only portable jack designed to safely lift and hold both regular and unibody cars and trucks. All Unibody vehicles have factory-approved lifting points to prevent damage when jacking up the vehicle. But with a conventional jack, it’s challenging to...

www.powerbuilt.com

 

[carpayments4life]

I ordered two.

 

[carpayments4life]

My Power Built 4000 jack/stands arrived.
My tires have 6500 miles, are not flat, nor low of air pressure.
The edge of the rim that is closest to the ground, is 3 1/8" from the ground (OEM 20" rims).

With the Power Built jack/stand completely collapsed it is 9" tall.
My front "lift point" is 11 1/8" off of the ground. My rear "lift point" is 11 3/8" off the ground.

I positioned the jack/stand under the Passport's front "lift point" and measured 2 1/8" between the highest part of the jack/stand and the lift point.
I moved the jack/stand to the rear and it was 2 3/8" of space.

Without driving a flattened tire on to a 2" x 6" board, the new jack/stand will not fit under the "lift points", when a tire is flat.

 

[HarveyW]

When you say front and real lift point are you talking about the front and rear center lift points or the lift points on either side of the vehicle nearest the wheels?

 

[carpayments4life]

The 2 on each side.

 

[npeckio]

yikes i already took my scissor jack out of my car . i didnt think of car when its flat. now what?

 

[HarveyW]

Well you might want to take a look at this bottle jack then. The Stubby. More jack than you need as 12 ton but minimum height is 7 1/2 inches, extended height it 13 13/16 inches.

Torin® Big Red 12 Ton Stubby Bottle Jack

Hydraulic Stubby Bottle Jack is ideal for low profile requirements where normal bottle jacks just won't fit. Designed for vertical lifting requirements in automotive and repair shops, on loading docks, in industrial environments, on factory floors and more. Not for use where sideways or downward...

www.menards.com

 

[DudeCS]

Well you might want to take a look at this bottle jack then. The Stubby. More jack than you need as 12 ton but minimum height is 7 1/2 inches, extended height it 13 13/16 inches.

For roadside use, 7-1/2 inches minimum would be marginal if you had a flat tire on the side of the road and if ideal conditions (flat surface). I measured 11" from the floor to the jack point (next to each wheel) and 10" from the floor to bottom of door sill for my Elite AWD. However, you have to consider clearance if you have a flat tire. The tire sidewall is about 3.5" for the OEM 20" wheel and tire. If you have a flat tire, you may only have a minimum 6.5" of clearance (even lower if you have a smaller wheel). The bottle jack will need to have an extended height (16" minimum, more for over-sized tire) to lift the tire fully off the ground.

 

[carpayments4life]

Drive the flat tire over and on to a 2 x 6 or a 2 x 8 board. Think of it as a low profile ramp, to get the jack point higher in to the air.
The board is (1.5") thick enough to give you the clearance that you need to get the Power Built 4000 under the side lift point.

 

[npeckio]

good idea lol one more thing to put in car though. they also have these racheting arms for scissor jacks thaT LOOK alot less awkward then oem arms for scissor jack,https://www.amazon.com/MR-CARTOOL-L...t+arm+for+scissor+jack&qid=1618357214&sr=8-19

 

[sprocket]

I bought one of these Powerbuilt 4000 lbs units to try since my floor jack would not go high enough without putting blocks underneath it.

4000 Lb. Unijack Bottle Jack & Jackstand in One

The Powerbuilt Unijack is the world's first and only portable jack designed to safely lift and hold both regular and unibody cars and trucks. All Unibody vehicles have factory-approved lifting points to prevent damage when jacking up the vehicle. But with a conventional jack, it’s challenging to...

www.powerbuilt.com

The unit doesn't give me great confidence. As you can see in the picture it leans to the side as the jacking point is not center under the lifting point. The bottle jack portion is not attached or welded to the bottom plate in any way, it just sits on top of the plate. I haven't used bottle jacks much so I don't know if this is common for the shaft to lean that much and how that is going to affect the longevity of the unit. It did go high enough to raise the rear tire off the ground and then it when one more notch but that was it.

I liked the idea of this because it has an actual safety jack that can be locked and not rely solely on the hydraulics.
Anybody got a better solution for doing quick winter/summer tire changes?

 

[14v6]

I bought one of these Powerbuilt 4000 lbs units to try since my floor jack would not go high enough without putting blocks underneath it.

4000 Lb. Unijack Bottle Jack & Jackstand in One

The Powerbuilt Unijack is the world's first and only portable jack designed to safely lift and hold both regular and unibody cars and trucks. All Unibody vehicles have factory-approved lifting points to prevent damage when jacking up the vehicle. But with a conventional jack, it’s challenging to...

www.powerbuilt.com

The unit doesn't give me great confidence. As you can see in the picture it leans to the side as the jacking point is not center under the lifting point. The bottle jack portion is not attached or welded to the bottom plate in any way, it just sits on top of the plate. I haven't used bottle jacks much so I don't know if this is common for the shaft to lean that much and how that is going to affect the longevity of the unit. It did go high enough to raise the rear tire off the ground and then it when one more notch but that was it.

I liked the idea of this because it has an actual safety jack that can be locked and not rely solely on the hydraulics.
Anybody got a better solution for doing quick winter/summer tire changes?

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If you want a floor jack for your garage, a Harbor Freight Super duty is a good choice. It's a high quality jack and is within an inch or two of the high lift model which should come in handy if using the center lift points. I also have another Harbor freight that I use when doing rotations. I just lift up the side and go move the tire front to rear and rear to front. I don't own jack stands and if going under the car, the tires would be on. I've built cradles out of 2X4's. That I use on other cars. I've found these to be easier than ramps.

 

[Gray_Beard]

If you want a floor jack for your garage, a Harbor Freight Super duty is a good choice. It's a high quality jack and is within an inch or two of the high lift model which should come in handy if using the center lift points. I also have another Harbor freight that I use when doing rotations. I just lift up the side and go move the tire front to rear and rear to front. I don't own jack stands and if going under the car, the tires would be on. I've built cradles out of 2X4's. That I use on other cars. I've found these to be easier than ramps.

This may be a solution for you to be used in the garage for home tire changes. The Rennstand would probably give the added height your floor jack needs. Definitely a rock solid approach.
RennStand