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Recommended Tongue Load Limits Exceeding GVWR when Including Payload?

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I have a question related to the recommended tongue loads in the Passport Manual. Apologies if this has been covered before, I did search the forums but didn't find what I was looking for.

I have a 2019 AWD Touring w/ ATF cooler. The door sticker lists a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of 5,291 lbs and indicates the maximum allowable weight of cargo and occupants is 948 lbs. The manual states that the Maximum Load Limit (i.e. 948 lbs) "includes the total weight of all occupants, cargo, and accessories, and the tongue load if you are towing a trailer." The manual also provides the following table of suggested tongue weights:
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The manual states on the preceding page:
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So, with 5 occupants and the max permitted tongue load my total payload would be 5*(150+17.6) + 425 = 1,263 lbs. This exceeds the door sticker value by 315 lbs!

Assuming the published curb weight of 4,224 lbs, adding this payload value of 1,263 lbs results in a total combined weight of 5,487 lbs - this scenario exceeds the GVWR of my Passport by 196 lbs!

These seem like large discrepancies, can anyone comment on how these tongue loads were computed or why Honda is suggesting that users can exceed the GVWR when towing a trailer?
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You're comparing apples to mangos. The tongue weight is the static force the trailer tongue exerts on the hitch ball. Proper trailer tongue weight can make the difference between a safe trailer towing experience and a dangerous journey.

You can have a 20k lb trailer with a tongue weight of 0 or even negative tongue weight, or you could have a 10K lb lounge weight. It all depends on how you load the trailer. In either scenario you are trying to pull too much weight with a vehicle rated to 5K lbs maximum tow weight with a 20K lb trailer.

Tongue weight is also variable depending on the type of trailer you are pulling. In the US/Canada/Mexico the typical trailer is an approximate 2/3 to 1/3 setup, meaning that 2/3rds of the trailer is in front of the trailers wheel(s) and 1/3rd behind the wheels.

In Europe and many other countries the Caravan, as they are called, are approximately 50/50 with the wheel(s) set in the middle of the trailer. That setup will change the tongue weight, however it isn't an excuse to tow a trailer over the recommended tow rating.

The important thing is to know your vehicles actual weight with cargo as well as your fully loaded trailer weight and make sure that they do not exceed the manufacturers combined recommendation. If you want to make you life easier in making sure that you tongue weight is in the proper range for safe towing, then get one of these.

I've used them for years. It is very handy for verifying you have the proper tongue weight, if you know your loaded trailers weight.
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