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I want to add these wheels to my Trailsport with Toyo AT III tires.
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But this adds 28mm of positive scrub radius. There are other wheels I could live with but those still add about 18mm of scrub radius at a 35mm offset. (35mm offset seems to be a general common offset on some popular wheels).
Here is what the chart looks like and details about the wheels. Those of you that put aftermarket wheels, what does the extra 15-30mm scrub radius feel like when driving? I think I probably know the answer and just can't decide if changing how it drives is worth it to me or not. My old truck was lifted with tires sticking way out and that thing was like driving a bull. I would think maybe the vehicle feels even that much squishier with more radius? Maybe there is no way of knowing because the tire construction affects the feeling too.

I am going to call this my build, if I ever do something and or choose other parts I will update it.

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I think what you will feel is the car will more likely to have tramlining effect when driven over uneven grooves in the road as the force now have a longer leverage to affect your steering. Also steering force will be increased too.
 

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I think what you will feel is the car will more likely to have tramlining effect when driven over uneven grooves in the road as the force now have a longer leverage to affect your steering. Also steering force will be increased too.
Yea, I guess there is just no way around it. It would drive like my truck did, just pulling hard at times due to uneven surface with a stiffer turning wheel. This makes me consider the HPD wheels again but I think I just prefer the stock wheels over those. Anyways, maybe I do something some day, the only other option I like is a 38mm offset but the wheel is not as nice and that is still 15mm + of scrub radius.

I am guessing this is what they mean by different suspension tuning for the Trailsport, it is the same parts but is tuned to accommodate the 10mm wider track. Unless they just added 10mm and did not tune it to drive how they want, but my guess is they 100% tuned it to drive how they want.
 

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Yea, I guess there is just no way around it. It would drive like my truck did, just pulling hard at times due to uneven surface with a stiffer turning wheel. This makes me consider the HPD wheels again but I think I just prefer the stock wheels over those. Anyways, maybe I do something some day, the only other option I like is a 38mm offset but the wheel is not as nice and that is still 15mm + of scrub radius.

I am guessing this is what they mean by different suspension tuning for the Trailsport, it is the same parts but is tuned to accommodate the 10mm wider track. Unless they just added 10mm and did not tune it to drive how they want, but my guess is they 100% tuned it to drive how they want.
I think given the rather powerful powersteering on the passport this is really not that noticeable to most people with the extra steering force.
Plus the Tailsport has higher profile tires which will decrease the tramlining effect compare to the 20 inch low profile tires on the other trims.
I went from 265/40/R19 to 285/30R20 on the front on my Mustang and you really have to hold onto the steering wheel as the tramlining is pretty significant.
 

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You make a good point about the profile, if that helps negate it, if the power steering is capable, maybe it will not be as bad as I remember on my truck. What I think I am really trying to figure out will not be that easy without just doing a modification. Because maybe its negligible to me, maybe not, only I can ever really know. IDK what my truck offset was, but the tires stuck out beyond the fender a good 2 inches, with I think it was a 11" wide wheel, the tires where 35" rated for 9" wide I believe so they had a very small amount of stretching, 6" lift, I can't imagine it'll be anything like that and I will probably be ok.
 

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You make a good point about the profile, if that helps negate it, if the power steering is capable, maybe it will not be as bad as I remember on my truck. What I think I am really trying to figure out will not be that easy without just doing a modification. Because maybe its negligible to me, maybe not, only I can ever really know. IDK what my truck offset was, but the tires stuck out beyond the fender a good 2 inches, with I think it was a 11" wide wheel, the tires where 35" rated for 9" wide I believe so they had a very small amount of stretching, 6" lift, I can't imagine it'll be anything like that and I will probably be ok.
Yea 2 inches sticking out of the fender you are probbaly like 100mm off center.
 

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Enkei makes 1 wheel that would fit with a proper fitting tire, (11mm Scrub +). This model is 8" wide, all the others I liked/saw are 9.5" wide and I can't find a tire that will fit that size in my wheel well. My concern with these is the load rating. I do not know how to figure out the minimum load rating, these wheels appear to be at 1540 lbs. The sticker on the door says GWV Rear Axle was something like 3100, but I do not know if this is fully loaded with towing? Any help with load rating would be appreciated!

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I think my only other legit option is the HPD, but I am liking the Enkei a little more, I believe they are a good 12lbs lighter then these.
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Enkei makes 1 wheel that would fit with a proper fitting tire, (11mm Scrub +). This model is 8" wide, all the others I liked/saw are 9.5" wide and I can't find a tire that will fit that size in my wheel well. My concern with these is the load rating. I do not know how to figure out the minimum load rating, these wheels appear to be at 1540 lbs. The sticker on the door says GWV Rear Axle was something like 3100, but I do not know if this is fully loaded with towing? Any help with load rating would be appreciated!


I think my only other legit option is the HPD, but I am liking the Enkei a little more, I believe they are a good 12lbs lighter then these.
Passport weights about 4300lbs and with a 58F/42R weight distribution so each wheel on the back will experience 900lbs of weight empty. Factory tires have 104 load index or 1920 lbs. I would find something equivalent or better.
 

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Good comments, I have the stock T.S. 18" and am quite happy with them. I was going to say to the O.P. if he likes the Elite better just go with that and get the wheels that suit him later. I didn't realize the aftermarket choices were so limited. With the weight if the vehicle and the sophisticated AWD system I suppose I should have realized they are part of a integrated system.
 

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Yea, I mean I have ran into some wheels that could work, but they are never perfect all around. I too am appreciating and enjoying my T.S. 18" wheels more and more. I think our choices will go up once more wheel makers realize Honda customers are looking for off-road SUV wheels.
 

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More research has lead me to Braid Wheels. These are the same wheels Honda HPD rally team use on the rally passport. Looks like they make most sizes with custom offsets. I have not really seen anyone on this site with them, the model I like is the "Winrace T". Load rating is 2645 LBS and can be made in any offset from -5 to +52 about. Cost for this model is high at $490/wheel. Colors seem to be limited to white/anthracite/gold depending on model. I wanted to mention these wheels because maybe someone will pull the trigger on them and let us know more about them. I will likely get a set next year.


 

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I have the black HPD wheels on my Passport. When the factory tires need to be replaced, I want to get a wider tire for my next purchase. Does anyone have any suggestions on what oversize tire will fit this rim and brand/model tire? I do very light off-roading and stick to flat dirt surfaces or roads dusted with snow.
 

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I have the black HPD wheels on my Passport. When the factory tires need to be replaced, I want to get a wider tire for my next purchase. Does anyone have any suggestions on what oversize tire will fit this rim and brand/model tire? I do very light off-roading and stick to flat dirt surfaces or roads dusted with snow.
Use a tire size calculator to calculate what wider tires sizes will work while remaining the radius of the tire so your speedo is not off.
Also look up the tire specs to see if it will fit on the width of the wheels.
 

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Sup guys, I have a 22 PPTS and looking for a more off road look. planing on keeping the same wheels, but was just curious on what tire size I should go with? any info would be appreciated . Thanks again .
 

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Sup guys, I have a 22 PPTS and looking for a more off road look. planing on keeping the same wheels, but was just curious on what tire size I should go with? any info would be appreciated . Thanks again .
I was also curious about which tire to get. I think the first thing to consider is where live, then what are you going to drive off / on road? The first tire I wanted to replace my stock tire was the Toyo Open Country A/T III, but now I may change my mind again since I live in Northern California and we have to drive to the snow (if there is any),
 

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I was also curious about which tire to get. I think the first thing to consider is where live, then what are you going to drive off / on road? The first tire I wanted to replace my stock tire was the Toyo Open Country A/T III, but now I may change my mind again since I live in Northern California and we have to drive to the snow (if there is any),
Toyo Open Country A/T III has the three peak severe snow service rating so it should perform in snow.
 

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Toyo Open Country A/T III has the three peak severe snow service rating so it should perform in snow.
I like the tires, it's the snow that's the issue. I have to drive 12 hours to just see snow and (possibly) 24 hours to see severe snow. I barely made to Starbucks this morning because it was 55 F outside and I don't like to be subjected to the frozen tundra conditions.
 
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