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I recognize Honda's OEM wheels arent the best and owners opt to change out their shoes for something more suitable toward their driving needs. Many change from the 20in to the 18in for improved ride capability. But my question revolves around the topic of curb rash. Are the OEM wheels prone to curb rash because of their size at 20in or is it the specific design of the 20in rims that make it more susceptible to curb rash? Just toying with the idea to possibly replace, but need to understand what factor i should prioritize to minimize the curbing of the wheels. Let me know what you think
 

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Many new Passport owners are coming from previous vehicles that were smaller in both width and length, but the width is important. They haven't developed enough familiarity with the Passport's wider size to adequately judge location of the outboard tires. As the imprint on the mirrors state: Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. And there is no mirror for that front right tire, either.
Next is the profile of the tire. A 45-series tire has significantly less sidewall height than a 55 or 60 series tire, resulting in rim being closer to the ground. And the 45-series tire has a stiffer sidewall, resulting in less sidewall bulge, resulting in the rim being more flush with the outer sidewall of the tire. This can be compensated for by looking a ratio of wheel width vs tire width: increase width of tire (ie install 275 tires instead of stock 265/245) or reduce wheel width (ie install rims that are 7.5 inch instead of 8.5/8) . . . either of these factors would effectively extend the tires sidewall reveal and recess the rim away from the sidewall.
There is nothing inherently wrong with the design of the Passport wheels, however the front wheel housing design (inner fenders) significantly limit maximum diameter of tire that can be installed, lift or no lift. Otherwise simply installing 295/60 R20 tires on Passsport 8.5-inch rims would possibly be that new 'look', while increasing sidewall height and ground footprint. But with wheel housing limitations, some prefer to buy smaller diameter (18's or 17's) wheels, and those wheels also tend to be narrower in width (7.5 - 8 inch) in order to still fit and increase sidewall 'bulge' so tire is 'curbed' instead of rim.
 

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Personally, (and not scientific like PANDA’s intel 🧐) I think with the lack of sidewall on the OEM tires and the soft-er wheels is what creates a recipe for curb rash. My first rash was about 500 or so miles returning back to a different hotel (parking garage ticket entry, so was going very slow) with a different vehicle and different tires & wheels.

I’ve scuffed my custom tires and wheels (20”) probably about the same speed (on my garage sidewall) and this is the difference. Only got some cosmetic scuffs on the tire, no damage to the wheel. My new tires also have maybe 1/2” sidewall protection.

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Enkei makes the wheels for the Passport as well as other Honda vehicles and they are a quality wheel. The problem is the reduced side wall of the 20 inch tires. It better for handling because of reduced side wall flex. These lower profile tires usually ride harder and are also prone to damage from potholes. Personally I’m not a big fan of the continental tires that come on the Passport. I had one have a bubble in the sidewall and it wasn’t included in the recall and had to fight with the dealer to get it replaced for free. I only had my for a week and it had let then 100 miles. Oh and I curb rashed one rim the first day I had it going thru a fast food drive thru and I am used to driving a wider vehicle( I drive a E250 Ford van everyday for work) I have become very aware of curbs now.
 

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Enkei makes the wheels for the Passport as well as other Honda vehicles and they are a quality wheel. The problem is the reduced side wall of the 20 inch tires. It better for handling because of reduced side wall flex. These lower profile tires usually ride harder and are also prone to damage from potholes. Personally I’m not a big fan of the continental tires that come on the Passport. I had one have a bubble in the sidewall and it wasn’t included in the recall and had to fight with the dealer to get it replaced for free. I only had my for a week and it had let then 100 miles. Oh and I curb rashed one rim the first day I had it going thru a fast food drive thru and I am used to driving a wider vehicle( I drive a E250 Ford van everyday for work) I have become very aware of curbs now.
I agree on the Enkei wheels!
I had these on my CRV for about 12 years and Michelin tires with sidewall protection.
When I sold it, there wasn’t a single scratch on them.

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Ill add that the moment I brought my Touring home, the FIRST thing I thought to myself is "damn, I gotta watch when I park in the street." And I just KNOW that one day Im gonna get lazy and bash these things. That said, lower profile 19s and 20s are going on more and more vehicles and even cars with smaller rims and lower profile tires get dinged all the time. For example, I did a number on the 17" OEM rims on my old Acura TSX a few times. And my buddy who just got a Tesla Model 3 already wrecked his front left rim. The size on his wheels? 18. So this is not a "Honda Passport" thing, this is a "automobile industry" thing.

All this said....lets remember...minor curb rash is like a door ding. Very fixable and there are mobile places that will do it right in your office parking lot or driveway for not a ton of money.
 

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Ill add that the moment I brought my Touring home, the FIRST thing I thought to myself is "damn, I gotta watch when I park in the street." And I just KNOW that one day Im gonna get lazy and bash these things. That said, lower profile 19s and 20s are going on more and more vehicles and even cars with smaller rims and lower profile tires get dinged all the time. For example, I did a number on the 17" OEM rims on my old Acura TSX a few times. And my buddy who just got a Tesla Model 3 already wrecked his front left rim. The size on his wheels? 18. So this is not a "Honda Passport" thing, this is a "automobile industry" thing.

All this said....lets remember...minor curb rash is like a door ding. Very fixable and there are mobile places that will do it right in your office parking lot or driveway for not a ton of money.
You are correct. When I walk thru my neighborhood I now look at the wheels with low profile tires and I figure between 50-60% have curb rash.
 

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It's lack of tire width. I upgraded our Exl to 265/50/20 and now we don't have to worry as much. Any wheel can be curbed. All wheels will be damaged when they scrape a curb. Imo the 20s can handle most off roading that the Passport is capable of.
Interesting you comment about tire width. I was considering that when changing the tires but the tire rep said that wouldnt do too much to prevent curb rash.
 

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Personally, (and not scientific like PANDA’s intel 🧐) I think with the lack of sidewall on the OEM tires and the soft-er wheels is what creates a recipe for curb rash. My first rash was about 500 or so miles returning back to a different hotel (parking garage ticket entry, so was going very slow) with a different vehicle and different tires & wheels.

I’ve scuffed my custom tires and wheels (20”) probably about the same speed (on my garage sidewall) and this is the difference. Only got some cosmetic scuffs on the tire, no damage to the wheel. My new tires also have maybe 1/2” sidewall protection.

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Nice. What color were your aftermarket rims? I started browsing. But i see a machined black, but not sure what that looks like in person to know if would like it as an alternative to the glossy black
 

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Nice. What color were your aftermarket rims? I started browsing. But i see a machined black, but not sure what that looks like in person to know if would like it as an alternative to the glossy black
They are a flat black matte. My plan was to put a matte wrap on all the shiny black outside like I did on the inside to help take even more of the gloss out, until Covid wiped out my budget plans, so I decided to postpone that expense.
NEW Wheels:
KMC KM707 20”
$225 each plus taxes, mounting, etc...

You can also go to this website and select your trim and color and see a rendering of what wheels and tires would look like. That’s how I also selected my choice along with what my tire store could order.https://www.tirerack.com/content/tirerack/desktop/en/homepage.html



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I recognize Honda's OEM wheels arent the best and owners opt to change out their shoes for something more suitable toward their driving needs. Many change from the 20in to the 18in for improved ride capability. But my question revolves around the topic of curb rash. Are the OEM wheels prone to curb rash because of their size at 20in or is it the specific design of the 20in rims that make it more susceptible to curb rash? Just toying with the idea to possibly replace, but need to understand what factor i should prioritize to minimize the curbing of the wheels. Let me know what you think
I replaced the annoying, stiff, uncomfortable OEM Continental Trash LX Sport 265/45 R20 (worst tires) with new Pirelli Scorpion All Season Plus 3 265/50 R20 (massive upgrade! this is the latest Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 - not Verde released in May 2021) today Jul 14, 2021. Increased tire profile slightly along with significant improvement in quality due change from 265/45 to 265/50 while keeping original 20 in rims!!! Boy, what a difference in braking, softer ride and slight noise reduction. I feel the bumps but now it is softer! Braking distance definitely improved :) While still keeping the original wheel bases :))
***For those having second thoughts/buyer remorse, just change the damn OEM Crap Tires to Higher All Season from Michellin or Pirelli. Do your research on Tire sizes, and you will get a new SUV by just upgrading to new, reliable tires :) lol lol
Very happy!! Go for the brand new Scorpion from Pirelli. Please also see below, changing from 265/45 to 265/50 also gives slightly more cushioning against curb rash!
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