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So Consumer Reports does another hack job at Honda and the Passport.

It begins by saying there is no reason to buy a Passport when there are two better Honda SUV's, the CRV and Pilot. Of course they fail to acknowledge the serious engine problem with the CRV. Apparently getting gas in your oil isn't a problem worthy of a consumers attention.

Yes that did like the roominess, speed, and visibility but disliked the ride and made some vague statement that you slide around in the seats; what??? After my 1st +700 mile road trip,I didn't slip around in the seat and even though the ride is stiffer than my 2016 Pilot, I did not find it to be uncomfortable in any way. Then they knocked the boot up time of the infotainment system, seriously????

Adding insult to injury, they gave it a neutral reliability even though 90% of it is a Pilot and if you look at the Pilot's reliability in CR's own charts, it is one of the best. In the same chart they rated the Nissan and Hyundai as better predicted reliability; THEY MUST BE CRAZY!!

When my subscription ends, that's it for me after being a 30 year subscriber.
 

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So Consumer Reports does another hack job at Honda and the Passport.

It begins by saying there is no reason to buy a Passport when there are two better Honda SUV's, the CRV and Pilot. Of course they fail to acknowledge the serious engine problem with the CRV. Apparently getting gas in your oil isn't a problem worthy of a consumers attention.

Yes that did like the roominess, speed, and visibility but disliked the ride and made some vague statement that you slide around in the seats; what??? After my 1st +700 mile road trip,I didn't slip around in the seat and even though the ride is stiffer than my 2016 Pilot, I did not find it to be uncomfortable in any way. Then they knocked the boot up time of the infotainment system, seriously????

Adding insult to injury, they gave it a neutral reliability even though 90% of it is a Pilot and if you look at the Pilot's reliability in CR's own charts, it is one of the best. In the same chart they rated the Nissan and Hyundai as better predicted reliability; THEY MUST BE CRAZY!!

When my subscription ends, that's it for me after being a 30 year subscriber.
Gregc,
I agree with your assessment of CR's dismissive review of the PP. They did not seem interested in reviewing it, it was simpler to just refer their readership to the CRV or the Pilot. I'm also a many year subscriber to CR and I was most disappointed in their review. My interest and disappointment are not based on being a PP owner, it's based on, what I heretofore thought was their nonbiased approached to product assessment. Disappointed.
 

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I find it hard to trust any reviews on CR when they pull this crap. I just bought a washer and dryer based an their recommendation. Maybe I should have bought their last place set rather then the first place set???
 

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I've NEVER subscribed to CR and will NEVER, it sounds like a number of things there are rating low are the EXACT same in the Pilot, which means they are uniformed, lazy, illogical and biased.

On a somewhat related note: have you see the Kelly Blue Book list of the 14 best 2019 vehicles?
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/best-buy-awards/2100000577/

Strange how Honda won in 6 different categories! Ford and Hyundai in 2 each and not a Nissan, Toyota, Mazda or Subaru on their list..
 

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So Consumer Reports does another hack job at Honda and the Passport.

It begins by saying there is no reason to buy a Passport when there are two better Honda SUV's, the CRV and Pilot. Of course they fail to acknowledge the serious engine problem with the CRV. Apparently getting gas in your oil isn't a problem worthy of a consumers attention.

Yes that did like the roominess, speed, and visibility but disliked the ride and made some vague statement that you slide around in the seats; what??? After my 1st +700 mile road trip,I didn't slip around in the seat and even though the ride is stiffer than my 2016 Pilot, I did not find it to be uncomfortable in any way. Then they knocked the boot up time of the infotainment system, seriously????

Adding insult to injury, they gave it a neutral reliability even though 90% of it is a Pilot and if you look at the Pilot's reliability in CR's own charts, it is one of the best. In the same chart they rated the Nissan and Hyundai as better predicted reliability; THEY MUST BE CRAZY!!

When my subscription ends, that's it for me after being a 30 year subscriber.
What? You subscribed to CR for 30 years? Refrigerators and laundry machines -- maybe.

Cars?, No way, not never, no how. Get Car & Driver if not already.
 

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What? You subscribed to CR for 30 years? Refrigerators and laundry machines -- maybe.

Cars?, No way, not never, no how. Get Car & Driver if not already.
Cars, 10 years ago, yes.
Appliances 10 years ago, yes.

Now, I wouldn't trust them with a review of rubber bands.

I got burnt with an LG fridge, I tried to give them a negative review and found its almost impossible. CR still says they are the best but fail to tell you your warranty is useless.
 

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I've NEVER subscribed to CR and will NEVER, it sounds like a number of things there are rating low are the EXACT same in the Pilot, which means they are uniformed, lazy, illogical and biased.

On a somewhat related note: have you see the Kelly Blue Book list of the 14 best 2019 vehicles?
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/best-buy-awards/2100000577/

Strange how Honda won in 6 different categories! Ford and Hyundai in 2 each and not a Nissan, Toyota, Mazda or Subaru on their list..
And KBB also also had the CRV as one of the best. WTF????
 

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^ Pretty much what Fatties said.
 

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CR actually scored it pretty well (73, which is high enough to make the “Recommended” list). WALDT, and it’s hard to to find a single review source that gives the same weight to factors as I do.

My ideal reviewer, for example, would be 6’4”, live in a southern climate, and spend 2 hours commuting in moderate to heavy traffic. I always keep that in mind when reading anyone’s reviews.
 

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I think you are right GM-J.

Whether they admit it or not, ALL vehicle reviewers are BIASED in some way. A bias for or against Auto Makers, a bias for or against the vehicle type (Car-truck-SUV, etc). Preconceived notions of engine types (4cyl, 6cyl, V-8, turbos, ect.) They all drive their own personnel vehicle to and from work everyday.

So the best comparisons (for me) is when a group of guys, test a group of vehicles, otherwise that bias extends through to the final rating and article.
 

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CR, C&D, R&T, Edmunds and others all have different criteria when they rate cars. I don't rely on any one of them but use the whole of all the ratings. My take is CR has always been focused on reliability as opposed to performance. They only recommend vehicles with at least an average reliability rating. I've filled out the surveys often to add my $0.02. Honda and especially Acura have slipped over the years. This CR rating of the PP isn't bad, as there is no reliability data, just initial performance.
 

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CR is a bunch of idiots! Apparently they had a falling out with Honda.
Granted my 2017 CR-V was a GREAT vehicle, but I had Oil delusion, wouldn’t heat up during a Minnesota winter, So I dumped it and bought a Passport.
The reason I bought the Passport is that it had what I liked about my 2016 Pilot, and lett out the things I didn’t like.
I would think that the Passport would had a similar review as the Pilot. Both are GREAT vehicles, I consider them as being “Identically Different “.
 
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