Idlestop Warranty Extension

jppelec · 2023-03-13

This is from another Passport group. I received the same letter today.

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ares said:
Good for you for doing so much car-work at that age. I'd be happy to be alive at 50. Currently at mid-30s but lots of bad decisions bound to catch up to me sooner than later.

Ah, bollocks. You worry too much.

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ballisticexchris

· #42 · 3 mo ago

MJD said:
It would not activate for me initially, I would keep getting the "unavailable" message. But later on in the day I drove my Passport again and it started working. Maybe it just needs to be driven a bit to reactivate itself after the update.

It's the charge state of the battery. If the vehicle sets for more than 24 hours unplugged from maintainer this is normal until the vehicles charging system can catch up.

I plug mine in every day and the start/stop works instantly when activated. On long road trips same deal without being plugged into charger.

The average owner likes to dig their heels in, bury their head in the sand and blame Honda when the solution is so simple. I have no doubt my battery will get a longer service life interval than someone who just parks the vehicle with no regard to taking care of a consumable part.

Tires, brakes, batteries, ball joints, tie rod ends and many other components need to be attended to regularly to extend the life of those components.

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penzance

· #43 · 3 mo ago

ballisticexchris said:
The average owner likes to dig their heels in, bury their head in the sand and blame Honda when the solution is so simple. I have no doubt my battery will get a longer service life interval than someone who just parks the vehicle with no regard to taking care of a consumable part.

The average owner is much more intelligent than you denounce them to be. The average owner buys a newer vehicle with the expectation that it will be reliable and dependable, with standard maintenance and care, especially within the 3-year warranty period. Honda provides NO recommendations that the average owner should use a battery maintainer whenever vehicle is parked, or left undriven for a week. Honda parts/service does not sell battery maintainers, because they do not consider it to be required or recommended for average driver to use in order to operate their vehicle reliably. Honda does recommend and sell other maintenance products for consumable parts, including oils & fluids, brakes, wipers, bulbs, filters, tires, waxes & cleaners, and batteries,

Your overzealous maintenance recommendations may be more useful to non-average drivers that enjoy wrenching and crawling under the vehicle . . . but not the average driver who bought their Passport for Honda reliability and ease of ownership.

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fx_chip

· #44 · 3 mo ago

penzance said:
Honda provides NO recommendations that the average owner should use a battery maintainer whenever vehicle is parked, or left undriven for a week.

I reminded @ballisticexchris of this a few weeks ago, his response was akin to - 'Never mind what Honda said about using and maintaining it's cars, believe me instead.'

I felt there was a lot of messiah complex in that response.

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CC_Marauder

· #45 · 3 mo ago (Edited)

As my wife of 21 year reminds me on occasion, it's not the message, it's the tone.

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ballisticexchris

· #46 · 3 mo ago

penzance said:
Honda provides NO recommendations that the average owner should use a battery maintainer whenever vehicle is parked, or left undriven for a week.

There are a lot of things that manufacturers fail to recommend that are paramount to a reliable vehicle. It is up to the owners to be active and use some common sense to determine what needs to be done for continued reliability and making consumables last.

A battery begins to discharge as soon as there is no longer a source of electricity going to it. Even if you are parking overnight, a battery maintainer will drastically extend the life of the battery by preventing degrading discharge cycles.

FWIW every single tech I know including myself recommends a battery maintainer as a way to extend battery life. It's no different than keeping your tire pressures up, ball joints lubed, etc to extend the usable life of all vehicle related consumables.

I provided a simple solution. If you and others fail to follow this recommendation then it's on the owner if the battery fails prematurely after the warranty runs out.

penzance said:
Honda parts/service does not sell battery maintainers, because they do not consider it to be required or recommended for average driver to use in order to operate their vehicle reliably.

All the local Honda dealerships in my area sell and recommend battery maintainers.

Norm Reeves Honda West Covina, Norm Reeves Cerritos and Buena Park Honda all have this Optimate front and center in the parts department when you walk in. I personally use the NOCO but the Optimate's are a fantastic choice as well. They provide a desulfation and extend the life of your battery efficiently as a Battery Tender or NOCO. If I remember right they are about 100 bucks or so.

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fx_chip said:
reminded @ballisticexchris of this a few weeks ago, his response was akin to - 'Never mind what Honda said about using and maintaining it's cars, believe me instead.'

I felt there was a lot of messiah complex in that response.

Penzance and fx_chip, You are doing a disservice to our forum members here by spreading false and toxic comments along with negativity. I have discussed this with you before but you don't seem receptive to the idea of politeness and decorum. Backhanded name calling and feeble attempts to discredit me are childish and adolescent in nature. I would politely ask you to refrain from this please.

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· #47 · 3 mo ago (Edited)

ballisticexchris said:
Penzance and fx_chip, You are doing a disservice to our forum members here by spreading false and toxic comments along with negativity. I have discussed this with you before but you don't seem receptive to the idea of politeness and decorum. Backhanded name calling and feeble attempts to discredit me are childish and adolescent in nature. I would politely ask you to refrain from this please.

Everything I said is facts. 👇 If you don't like being quoted maybe you should be more careful with your claims...

Battery life

Battery bad less than 3 years old on passport 2021 have to wonder about auto start impact ?

www.passportforums.com

Battery life

Battery bad less than 3 years old on passport 2021 have to wonder about auto start impact ?

www.passportforums.com

You also clearly said:

"I don't mean to sound callous, but Honda does not have my best interest at heart when it comes to keeping the vehicle running trouble free..."

And this is was said in an effort to convince everyone reading that Honda's maintenance reminder/instructions is bs.

Poll on maintaining/repairing our vehicles

This is my routine: IMHO, frequent 3K-5K oil changes and biannual/30K (whichever comes first) brake/trans fluid and coolant servicing is key to longevity of any vehicle. 7K I will be my first diff/transfer case fluid exchange then after every 3rd-4th oil change. At 60K-75K I will R&R...

www.passportforums.com

I'm all for politeness and decorum but that doesn't say I can't highlight your contradictory and overzealous claims.

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KYBubblehead

· #48 · 3 mo ago

ares said:
Good for you for doing so much car-work at that age. I'd be happy to be alive at 50. Currently at mid-30s but lots of bad decisions bound to catch up to me sooner than later.

I used to think that as well....now that I'm 75, 50 is a looooong time ago.

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ballisticexchris

· #49 · 3 mo ago

fx_chip said:
I'm all for politeness and decorum but that doesn't say I can't highlight your contradictory and overzealous claims

fx_chip said:
"I felt there was a lot of messiah complex in that response."

"Your doppelganger must have posted this earlier about all the equipment you log around."

There is a description for you are doing. It's called trolling. And it is direct violation of forum rules. But hey go ahead as it's the new normal for the toxic environment that seems to excite and thrill some of you. I feel bad for the moderators that have to put up with this nonsense.

KYBubblehead said:
I used to think that as well....now that I'm 75, 50 is a looooong time ago.

Right on and thank you for your service. I almost became a Bubblehead myself. My ASVAB score was well over 200. Unfortunately my teenage shenanigans prevented me from getting into the program. I ended up in the Sea Bees as a EO. I was lucky it was during the cold war. I have a lot of respect for my fellow shipmates on those vessels that stay under the surface for months at a time.

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· #50 · 3 mo ago

ballisticexchris said:
There is a description for you are doing. It's called trolling. And it is direct violation of forum rules. But hey go ahead as it's the new normal for the toxic environment that seems to excite and thrill some of you. I feel bad for the moderators that have to put up with this nonsense.

Okay, when presented with evidence the accusation is not longer "You trying to discredit me." the accusation is now "You are rolling me." I alluded to same weaving and dodging behaviour a couple of days ago. Do you ever accept responsibility?

Now let me tell you how trolling works.

If Mr. AA says - "I love the color purple" while not in any exchange with Ballisticexchris.
But Ballisticexchris chips in and says - The color purple is a horrible color.
Mr. AA replies - To each his own, I still love purple.

A few days later, Mr. AA tells another forum member - I love the color purple.
Ballisticexchris chips in uninvited and says - The color purple is a horrible color. Why do you keep saying you love purple?

Days later, Mr. BB also says - I love the color purple.
Ballisticexchris chips in uninvited and says - The color purple is a horrible color. Why the heck do so many people love purple? Why not blue? Let me tell you about the positives of blue. I have spent years using blue so I have a lot to say on it...etc.

That is what trolling is and that is what you run around the forum doing. State your opinion and move on, endeavor not to engage with folks that have ideological disagreements with you instead of repeatedly looking for entanglements with them, needless and repeated engagement is the definition of trolling. If my AA says I love purple, you go create a different thread and say - I love something else instead of bombing Mr. AA's replies with messianic opinion.

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grifocx

· #51 · 3 mo ago

Imagine going through the hassle of plugging in your ICE car every night in order to make the $100 battery "last longer."

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HarveyW

· #52 · 3 mo ago

ballisticexchris said:
It's the charge state of the battery. If the vehicle sets for more than 24 hours unplugged from maintainer this is normal until the vehicles charging system can catch up.

I plug mine in every day and the start/stop works instantly when activated. On long road trips same deal without being plugged into charger.

The average owner likes to dig their heels in, bury their head in the sand and blame Honda when the solution is so simple. I have no doubt my battery will get a longer service life interval than someone who just parks the vehicle with no regard to taking care of a consumable part.

Tires, brakes, batteries, ball joints, tie rod ends and many other components need to be attended to regularly to extend the life of those components.

If that is normal for you vehicle after 24 hours, then you have a problem. I have let my 2020 Touring sit for over 15 days, no tender and it starts right up. SOC was down slightly but it was back to a full SOC with the drive I had to take.

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· #53 · 3 mo ago

HarveyW said:
If that is normal for you vehicle after 24 hours, then you have a problem. I have let my 2020 Touring sit for over 15 days, no tender and it starts right up. SOC was down slightly but it was back to a full SOC with the drive I had to take.

Yes it is perfectly normal for the start/stop to self disable until the charging system catches up. If your vehicle sets 24 hours or 15 days you are going to experience this. The longer it sets the longer it will take for the charge system to catch up. A vehicle that's plugged in and has a full charge will rarely get the dash notification and the start/stop will work seamlessly.

I have 2 motorcycles and four 4 wheeled vehicles plugged in at all times when parked in my driveway and garage. Of course the ones that are driven throughout the day do not get plugged in until the evening. It takes less than 10 seconds to pop the hood and hook up.

I have no recommendations for a driver who has a problem with such an easy task. They will spend money and effort to install a device to disable the start/stop system when all it takes is a simple push of a button at startup. Yet will argue and complain about pushing a button or plugging in a pigtail. Makes zero sense.

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· #54 · 3 mo ago

grifocx said:
Imagine going through the hassle of plugging in your ICE car every night in order to make the $100 battery "last longer."

The battery in the Passports are over 200.00.

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· #55 · 3 mo ago

ballisticexchris said:
The battery in the Passports are over 200.00.

Hey man, live your best life. I know popping a hood and plugging in shit every day (which is not 10s but whatever) is not worth $200/whatever extension of battery life that might bring.

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kgilbertsen_1

· #56 · 3 mo ago

I just rec'd. the Warranty Extension letter today - that's a good thing 👍. I don't see anything directing me to have the software updated so I assume that is done on a case by case basis depending on what the dealer finds when the vehicle's in the shop.
Will a 'sytem warming up or charging' message be enough to have them update, or will they need to see a bad battery before they perform the fix?
In other words, do I need to stop disabling the Idle Stop every time I get in the car in order to have the software update done?

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· #57 · 3 mo ago

kgilbertsen_1 said:
I just rec'd. the Warranty Extension letter today - that's a good thing 👍. I don't see anything directing me to have the software updated so I assume that is done on a case by case basis depending on what the dealer finds when the vehicle's in the shop.
Will a 'sytem warming up or charging' message be enough to have them update, or will they need to see a bad battery before they perform the fix?
In other words, do I need to stop disabling the Idle Stop every time I get in the car in order to have the software update done?

I just got my letter today as well for the software update and extension. My update was done at last free service from dealer.

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fx_chip

· #58 · 3 mo ago

kgilbertsen_1 said:
I just rec'd. the Warranty Extension letter today - that's a good thing 👍. I don't see anything directing me to have the software updated so I assume that is done on a case by case basis depending on what the dealer finds when the vehicle's in the shop.
Will a 'sytem warming up or charging' message be enough to have them update, or will they need to see a bad battery before they perform the fix?
In other words, do I need to stop disabling the Idle Stop every time I get in the car in order to have the software update done?

I think dealers do the update on every Passport that's brought in no matter the condition of the battery.

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kgilbertsen_1

· #59 · 3 mo ago

ballisticexchris said:
I just got my letter today as well for the software update and extension. My update was done at last free service from dealer.

Good to hear!

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· #60 · 3 mo ago

fx_chip said:
I think dealers do the update on every Passport that's brought in no matter the condition of the battery.

That'd be great 👍

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