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So I have a challenge for everyone who can’t control or hates auto start stop!
Background. I’m an old coot who hates new stuff. 1st auto s/s was in a 15 Jeep. Absolutely hated it. Damn thing had mind of its own. Couldn’t wait for it to break or shut the button off and got aggravated each time it was pressed:mad:
In my 5th vehicle with auto start stop and now wonder why they didn’t create it years ago and love it!
Sat back and read up about it.
1. Know what vehicle controls will override it, cold/hot weather etc. look it up it’s documented tons in this forum and most others or in the manual.
2. Need to learn how to control it. Need to feather the pedal, if you ever drove a stick, think clutch. Takes practice (like a stick, like swimming etc) once learned you’ll know how easy it is and drive without even thinking about it and have complete control over it! Your thinking yeah sure, feather the pedal and try not to hit the car in front of you? One can slam on the pedal (there is a delay before engine will stop and it will know your hard braking) and once safely stopped let up ever so gentle, car stays running, or if you want it to shut off, keep more pressure on the pedal. It’s that darn hard and easy at the same time!
3. Now, go to a big open empty area and practice, practice and practice. Go on the road and practice.
4. Here’s the hard to admit truth and been proven in other forums with many owners. If you can’t learn it and control it your simply not coordinated enough and just live with it. True that.

Sure it really does not save that much gas and manufactures mainly do to it to meet or exceed ‘cafe standards(did I say that right?). but it sure does comes in handy! - you know, at the roads you travel often and you know when the street lights will change(if your observant while driving & hope you all are). At your option cut the engine off for long lights, freight trains, stop and talk to a neighbor, waiting for the herd to cross the road, waiting for the moron at the drive thru has no idea how many burgers they want or they are paying the cashier in change, at the drive through ATM.. You get the idea!.
- or feather the pedal and keep er running for the ready to turn green street light, your still cold? You know by learning what conditions will shut your car off but damn car thinks your fine, keep er running by letting off the pedal and keep your car in a secure controlled stop and keep your heat or A/C on full blast.

*****Challange••••••
Give it a try before condemning it. Don’t let it win, your a winner and you can and will learn to have control and the upper hand and enjoy this great feature.
Disclaimer: some do have electronic or mechanical issues and your dealer has competence, can fix it.
 

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Reminds me of the book/manual, "A Twist of the Wrist" by keith Code on motorcycle racing. It is the learning of how a machine works in numerous situations through practice, practice, practice.
 
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I don't want "feather the brakes" or use any other special techniques. I want to drive my Passport like I've driven every vehicle I've owned in the last 40 years. I'm glad there's a button to defeat the idle-stop. I'm getting used to pushing it every time I start the engine.
 

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I don't want "feather the brakes" or use any other special techniques. I want to drive my Passport like I've driven every vehicle I've owned in the last 40 years. I'm glad there's a button to defeat the idle-stop. I'm getting used to pushing it every time I start the engine.
That’s what I said at the beginning and someone replied that “admitting is the 1st step to recovery. Some just don’t have the skill set to handle it and that’s ok, that’s what the button is for”. That ticked me off enough to learn the damn thing. Like I said once you have it nailed there is zero thought process or distraction that allows the driver to control it. Second nature & now I love it
 

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There are many times I like to have it, especially in the DC/NoVA area where we have 3-5 min stop lights. If I know they are shorter or know the traffic means lots of stops, I’ll cut it off. It annoys my wife.
 

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Our 2018 Ford F150 has this feature and it works the same way. I like it.

We winter in Florida where lights can be 2-3 minutes on red and you may have to wait for more than one light. Convince me it doesn't save gas. We summer in Montana where lights are short and you never have a 2 light wait. No big deal.
 

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So I have a challenge for everyone who can’t control or hates auto start stop!
Background. I’m an old coot who hates new stuff. 1st auto s/s was in a 15 Jeep. Absolutely hated it. Damn thing had mind of its own. Couldn’t wait for it to break or shut the button off and got aggravated each time it was pressed:mad:
In my 5th vehicle with auto start stop and now wonder why they didn’t create it years ago and love it!
Sat back and read up about it.
1. Know what vehicle controls will override it, cold/hot weather etc. look it up it’s documented tons in this forum and most others or in the manual.
2. Need to learn how to control it. Need to feather the pedal, if you ever drove a stick, think clutch. Takes practice (like a stick, like swimming etc) once learned you’ll know how easy it is and drive without even thinking about it and have complete control over it! Your thinking yeah sure, feather the pedal and try not to hit the car in front of you? One can slam on the pedal (there is a delay before engine will stop and it will know your hard braking) and once safely stopped let up ever so gentle, car stays running, or if you want it to shut off, keep more pressure on the pedal. It’s that darn hard and easy at the same time!
3. Now, go to a big open empty area and practice, practice and practice. Go on the road and practice.
4. Here’s the hard to admit truth and been proven in other forums with many owners. If you can’t learn it and control it your simply not coordinated enough and just live with it. True that.

Sure it really does not save that much gas and manufactures mainly do to it to meet or exceed ‘cafe standards(did I say that right?). but it sure does comes in handy! - you know, at the roads you travel often and you know when the street lights will change(if your observant while driving & hope you all are). At your option cut the engine off for long lights, freight trains, stop and talk to a neighbor, waiting for the herd to cross the road, waiting for the moron at the drive thru has no idea how many burgers they want or they are paying the cashier in change, at the drive through ATM.. You get the idea!.
- or feather the pedal and keep er running for the ready to turn green street light, your still cold? You know by learning what conditions will shut your car off but damn car thinks your fine, keep er running by letting off the pedal and keep your car in a secure controlled stop and keep your heat or A/C on full blast.

*****Challange••••••
Give it a try before condemning it. Don’t let it win, your a winner and you can and will learn to have control and the upper hand and enjoy this great feature.
Disclaimer: some do have electronic or mechanical issues and your dealer has competence, can fix it.
I’m like you, I to am deep into my 60’s and not to willing to experience change. I have grown use to the “idle stop” feature.
One of the many reasons I bought the Passport is it feel old school, low end torque of a v-6, geared tranny, heavy and good sized.
There are a few little annoyances like the “idle stop”, or the push button start. It’s all good, its time to step out of my comfort zone..
 
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I don't want "feather the brakes" or use any other special techniques. I want to drive my Passport like I've driven every vehicle I've owned in the last 40 years. I'm glad there's a button to defeat the idle-stop. I'm getting used to pushing it every time I start the engine.
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I’m like you, I to am deep into my 60’s and not to will to experience change. I have grown use to the “idle stop” feature.
One of the many reasons I bought the Passport is it feel old school, low end torque of a v-6, geared tranny, heavy and good sized.
There are a few little annoyances like the “idle stop”, or the push button start. It’s all good, its time to step out of my comfort zone..
A rolling stone gathers no moss.
 

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Some time ago, I had to have my regular ride, a Chevy Camaro, in for several days of service. As a change of pace, I rented a new black Lincoln Continental. The car was so smooth riding, comfortable seats, nice sound system yet quiet when needed. It was GREAT - until I was pulled over by City Police going 15 over in a 25 mph limit.
I eventually went to court (as everyone should), and explained to the 'well-experienced' judge that the Continental was such a great ride that I could not believe that I was going so fast. I was given a six- month 'Conditional Discharge'. I suppose it did help that I told him that my regular ride was a well used Rambler American at the time (and that he also had an Irish surname).

My point: One must adjust to the vehicle.
 
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Sport mode, Sport mode, Sport mode....

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Sport mode, Sport mode, Sport mode....

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I’ve yet to try sport mode. Will it permanently disable idle auto shut off ✂
 

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So I have a challenge for everyone who can’t control or hates auto start stop!
Background. I’m an old coot who hates new stuff. 1st auto s/s was in a 15 Jeep. Absolutely hated it. Damn thing had mind of its own. Couldn’t wait for it to break or shut the button off and got aggravated each time it was pressed:mad:
In my 5th vehicle with auto start stop and now wonder why they didn’t create it years ago and love it!
Sat back and read up about it.
1. Know what vehicle controls will override it, cold/hot weather etc. look it up it’s documented tons in this forum and most others or in the manual.
2. Need to learn how to control it. Need to feather the pedal, if you ever drove a stick, think clutch. Takes practice (like a stick, like swimming etc) once learned you’ll know how easy it is and drive without even thinking about it and have complete control over it! Your thinking yeah sure, feather the pedal and try not to hit the car in front of you? One can slam on the pedal (there is a delay before engine will stop and it will know your hard braking) and once safely stopped let up ever so gentle, car stays running, or if you want it to shut off, keep more pressure on the pedal. It’s that darn hard and easy at the same time!
3. Now, go to a big open empty area and practice, practice and practice. Go on the road and practice.
4. Here’s the hard to admit truth and been proven in other forums with many owners. If you can’t learn it and control it your simply not coordinated enough and just live with it. True that.

Sure it really does not save that much gas and manufactures mainly do to it to meet or exceed ‘cafe standards(did I say that right?). but it sure does comes in handy! - you know, at the roads you travel often and you know when the street lights will change(if your observant while driving & hope you all are). At your option cut the engine off for long lights, freight trains, stop and talk to a neighbor, waiting for the herd to cross the road, waiting for the moron at the drive thru has no idea how many burgers they want or they are paying the cashier in change, at the drive through ATM.. You get the idea!.
- or feather the pedal and keep er running for the ready to turn green street light, your still cold? You know by learning what conditions will shut your car off but damn car thinks your fine, keep er running by letting off the pedal and keep your car in a secure controlled stop and keep your heat or A/C on full blast.

*****Challange••••••
Give it a try before condemning it. Don’t let it win, your a winner and you can and will learn to have control and the upper hand and enjoy this great feature.
Disclaimer: some do have electronic or mechanical issues and your dealer has competence, can fix it.
I have always wondered about people who keep their car idling for five minutes plus in fair weather when in a long queue waiting for a gas fill-up at a Costco or waiting at a parking lot at a popular sports event - and then wonder (maybe) why they are at the Costco so much.
 
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So I have a challenge for everyone who can’t control or hates auto start stop!
Background. I’m an old coot who hates new stuff. 1st auto s/s was in a 15 Jeep. Absolutely hated it. Damn thing had mind of its own. Couldn’t wait for it to break or shut the button off and got aggravated each time it was pressed:mad:
In my 5th vehicle with auto start stop and now wonder why they didn’t create it years ago and love it!
Sat back and read up about it.
1. Know what vehicle controls will override it, cold/hot weather etc. look it up it’s documented tons in this forum and most others or in the manual.
2. Need to learn how to control it. Need to feather the pedal, if you ever drove a stick, think clutch. Takes practice (like a stick, like swimming etc) once learned you’ll know how easy it is and drive without even thinking about it and have complete control over it! Your thinking yeah sure, feather the pedal and try not to hit the car in front of you? One can slam on the pedal (there is a delay before engine will stop and it will know your hard braking) and once safely stopped let up ever so gentle, car stays running, or if you want it to shut off, keep more pressure on the pedal. It’s that darn hard and easy at the same time!
3. Now, go to a big open empty area and practice, practice and practice. Go on the road and practice.
4. Here’s the hard to admit truth and been proven in other forums with many owners. If you can’t learn it and control it your simply not coordinated enough and just live with it. True that.

Sure it really does not save that much gas and manufactures mainly do to it to meet or exceed ‘cafe standards(did I say that right?). but it sure does comes in handy! - you know, at the roads you travel often and you know when the street lights will change(if your observant while driving & hope you all are). At your option cut the engine off for long lights, freight trains, stop and talk to a neighbor, waiting for the herd to cross the road, waiting for the moron at the drive thru has no idea how many burgers they want or they are paying the cashier in change, at the drive through ATM.. You get the idea!.
- or feather the pedal and keep er running for the ready to turn green street light, your still cold? You know by learning what conditions will shut your car off but damn car thinks your fine, keep er running by letting off the pedal and keep your car in a secure controlled stop and keep your heat or A/C on full blast.

*****Challange••••••
Give it a try before condemning it. Don’t let it win, your a winner and you can and will learn to have control and the upper hand and enjoy this great feature.
Disclaimer: some do have electronic or mechanical issues and your dealer has competence, can fix it.

I came here to complain about the auto stop, but now I think I'll give it a shot. I gotta say though, it's annoying to have to think too much about driving. I may turn it off when I'm driving around the city.

Good info here!
 

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I feel like I might curse myself...but my auto idle stop has not kicked in for the last two days and I haven't had to disable it!! ??
 

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Start -Stop. Ha! Hate it when it works, wonder why (insert expletive of your preference) it doesn't work sometimes when it's not? :rolleyes:
I've mastered the "feathered brake pedal". It works. The car gets annoyed because it will tell you to "Fully apply Brake to engage Start/Stop"... I can deal! I've also learned to push the steering wheel slightly to start the engine a few sec's before the traffic light changes... get that oil pressure built up before I hit the GO pedal! :cool:
By the way... some of you think this system is only for fuel savings... it's also for Emissions. I work for an auto company... It's 2 birds with 1 stone thing....
 
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