Idle stop recall with(out) bypass?

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wrenchspinner

Discussion Starter · 4 mo ago

Ok, I installed the idle stop bypass. I just went in for maintenance and they said there is a reprogram for the idle stop. I told them I didn’t have time. I wanted to get everyone’s opinion. Should I remove the bypass before having them do it? Will that bypass void any warranty? Thanks in advance

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baconlord

· #2 · 4 mo ago

You should be fine to update, idlestopper shouldn't cause any issues due to it just emulating a button press. I am gonna do mine next week sometime and I have idlestopper. I'll let you know if I brick it or not lol.

wrenchspinner

Discussion Starter · #3 · 4 mo ago

baconlord said:
You should be fine to update, idlestopper shouldn't cause any issues due to it just emulating a button press. I am gonna do mine next week sometime and I have idlestopper. I'll let you know if I brick it or not lol.

Please do! I appreciate it

Obert

· #4 · 4 mo ago

It will vary by dealership.

If it’s a simple removal. I would take it off just to avoid any problems.

Put it back on when they are done with the update.

jayceegee

· #5 · 4 mo ago

The bypass is a modification -- usually modifications will void a warranty but only specific to the parts modified. In other words -- if you change the suspension and you develop engine problems the warranty for the engine is still intact.

BangBangBill

· #6 · 4 mo ago

What specifically does the update accomplish? Unless it completely defeats its function (probably not) I figure I'll avoid it and keep my Idlestopper.

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Dennis404

· #7 · 4 mo ago

On my 23 PP the idle stop doesn't kick in if the "system is charging" or "climate control warming up". I do a lot of city driving, maybe 50 miles a day so I don't get the full battery. the trickle charger usually shows the battery at 25-50% when I plug it on the weekends. Fully charged, the idle stop engages for a day or two then it's back to "system is charging". Long story short, the update is probably in the 23 PP and doesn't engage if the battery is below 50% (give it take, I haven't measured with a meter).

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baconlord

· #8 · 4 mo ago

wrenchspinner said:
Please do! I appreciate it

Updated today, no issues. My advice is don't even mention it to the dealership for the recall. They won't notice.

Death

· #9 · 4 mo ago

baconlord said:
Updated today, no issues. My advice is don't even mention it to the dealership for the recall. They won't notice.

Does the update make it so you don't need the Idlestopper? Or is it something else all together

baconlord

· #10 · 4 mo ago

Death said:
Does the update make it so you don't need the Idlestopper? Or is it something else all together

No you still need it, no idea what it actually changes. Honda don't give us patch notes lol.

darksky

· #11 · 4 mo ago

I believe the update alters when the idle stop activates, not allowing it to idle stop the vehicle if the battery level is below a level that may not allow it to re-start. By the way, it is NOT a recall. It's a service bulletin.

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Bajapalm

· #12 · 4 mo ago

Buying the idle stopper was the best investment so far!

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baconlord

· #13 · 4 mo ago

darksky said:
I believe the update alters when the idle stop activates, not allowing it to idle stop the vehicle if the battery level is below a level that may not allow it to re-start. By the way, it is NOT a recall. It's a service bulletin.

Its a recall. How Honda labels their TSBs is confusing compared to an actual recall. If you do a VIN inquiry (through the Honda dealership network) it comes up as an open campaign, which is a recall.

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Mr. Boston

· #14 · 4 mo ago

Side question...I do mostly short trips, and have had to replace my battery recently, what do you use or suggest for a trickle charger?

CC_Marauder

· #15 · 4 mo ago

While getting a complete warranty replacement battery on my 2020 Honda Passport Elite AWD at the dealership on Monday (23.0206), they did the Idle Stop SW update for me. I didn't ask what it resolved (you can look it up) because I turn off the idle stop function everytime I drive the PP. I despise that "accessory."

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JLH

· #16 · 4 mo ago

baconlord said:
Its a recall. How Honda labels their TSBs is confusing compared to an actual recall. If you do a VIN inquiry (through the Honda dealership network) it comes up as an open campaign, which is a recall.

Here's what Honda has to say about the difference.
HONDA Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) - Honda-Tech - Honda Forum Discussion

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fx_chip

· #17 · 4 mo ago (Edited)

JLH said:
Here's what Honda has to say about the difference.
HONDA Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) - Honda-Tech - Honda Forum Discussion

I have a hunch that Honda is just playing around with semantics on the Recall/TSB/"Service Campaign" issue. It's also interesting that the explanation at this link says TSB repairs are not safety related so cannot be described as a recall, but the Hood Latch repair for the 2019 Passport and the present Idle Stop system update are safety issues, non optional and they require the vehicle being returned to the dealer so qualify to be described as recalls despite the fact that Honda only issued TSBs. Passenger safety is certainly at stake if the hood flies open at highway speeds due to striker manufacturing defect or if your car shuts down and fails to restart in the middle of traffic and you are forced to exit the car to seek safety on the road side.

Before Honda made it's seemingly reluctant move to update the Idle Stop system after receiving complaints since 2016 from Honda Pilots owners, it ignored a class action lawsuit about the Idle Stop system and waited until NHTSA launched an investigation in 2022. That NHTSA investigation was launched as a safety investigation but Honda didn't wait for the results of the investigation, it deftly preempted whatever the conclusions of the NHTSA might arrive at and rectifications suggested by issuing a TSB.

Apparently recalls gets loads of bad press but TSBs sounds innocuous in an headline, it could be the name of a new car made by Honda so the press will just ignore.

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baconlord

· #18 · 4 mo ago

JLH said:
Here's what Honda has to say about the difference.
HONDA Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) - Honda-Tech - Honda Forum Discussion

Thats not an actual Honda statement.

fx_chip said:
I have a hunch that Honda is just playing around with semantics on the Recall/TSB/"Service Campaign" issue. It's also interesting that the explanation at this link says TSB repairs are not safety related so cannot be described as a recall, but the Hood Latch repair for the 2019 Passport and the present Idle Stop system update are safety issues, non optional and they require the vehicle being returned to the dealer so qualify to be described as recalls despite the fact that Honda only issued TSBs. Passenger safety is certainly at stake if the hood flies open at highway speed due to striker manufacturing defect or if your car shuts down and fails to restart in the middle of traffic and you are forced to exit the car to seek safety on the road side.

Before Honda made it's seemingly reluctant move to update the Idle Stop system after receiving complaints since 2016 from Honda Pilots owners, it ignored a class action lawsuit about the Idle Stop system and waited until NHTSA launched an investigation in 2022. That NHTSA investigation was launched as a safety investigation but Honda didn't wait for the results of the investigation, it deftly preempted whatever the conclusions of the NHTSA might arrive at the and rectification suggested and by issuing a TSB.

Apparently recalls gets loads of bad press but TSBs sounds innocuous in headline news, it could be the name of a new car made by Honda so the press will just ignore.

Its kinda confusing for techs too. On the service info search it will show recalls first thing regardless if you search something unrelated. The recalls are yellow icons, which also shares a similar color with service news, and repair procedures. Service bulletins are a unique orange color. Just reading the bulletin you wouldn't be able to tell if it was a recall or not without those icons.

Its rough, because now I am the one teaching our new guys how to deal with this system. Hondas service info and diagnostic software is the worst of any manufacturer I've worked on or with my personal opinion.

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jayceegee

· #19 · 4 mo ago

Mr. Boston said:
Side question...I do mostly short trips, and have had to replace my battery recently, what do you use or suggest for a trickle charger?

I use a NOCO 5 amp. However getting to the battery in the Passport is a royal PITA. The positive side is ok but negative is the problem. Instead I ground the charger to a bolt that I put in the vehicle for just that purpose. NOCO instructions say that the charger must be grounded to the negative post of the battery -- to me, after several searches and talking with many people, negative is a negative, and the 5 amp is a really safe power supply to work with. I bought my Passport less than two weeks ago and have put the charger on 2 times just for the heck of it and it works great. As a second thought if you buy the charger from Battery Tender their instructions are to ground to the vehicle -- I find this interesting and wonder why NOCO is different.

ballisticexchris

· #20 · 4 mo ago

fx_chip said:
I have a hunch that Honda is just playing around with semantics on the Recall/TSB/"Service Campaign" issue.

You might have something there. Yet I believe that Honda is not the only manufacturer to play this card....

jayceegee said:
As a second thought if you buy the charger from Battery Tender their instructions are to ground to the vehicle -- I find this interesting and wonder why NOCO is different.

I believe it's due to the Battery Tender not having a desulfation mode. I still run my Tender brand maintainers directly to the battery. My NOCO is directly connected as well.

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