Honda Passport Forum banner
1 - 20 of 39 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
156 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
the more I get use to the passport
the more I realize how useless and dangerous
honda sensing is.
Now I have everything off
even the auto high beams is silly constantly
on and off.
VW's system works better, from what I understand so does Ford.

Kind of wish the sensing stuff was an option
I would never pay for it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OTIS

·
Registered
Joined
·
160 Posts
i call it non sensing to. my auto hi beams never work lol. i also just had a loaner impreza from subaru base model. all safety stuff worked fine and was well understood and integrated in a 25,000 car lol
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
106 Posts
I also have everything turned off in my Passport; the automatic high beams only work in areas where there is no other light source.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
104 Posts
Not sure why auto high beams aren't working for you. Mine works well-enough. I had similar functionality on my 2017 Ford Escape which may have come on more frequently but not sure if that's a good/bad thing. With the Escape I thought it was a bit too-much at times in that I wasn't having problems seeing and then others "thanks that was really helpful". That said, it might just be a light-sensitivity setting that, in theory, could be tuned. I was driving the other night and it came on a few times in the darker places. When there was some illumination (street lights, oncoming vehicles) it would turn off the high beams.

However, the Honda Sensing is mostly garbage overall compared to the 2017 Escape which is truly disappointing... Blind spot indicator location is awful, lack of front center/rear center/side center sensors were poor design choices, lane drifting (or whatever they call it) gets confused easily by obvious things (some freeway exits it insists I've drifted out of my lane) and the adaptive cruise control was better in the Escape too.

It really amazes me (and not in a good way) how Honda tech is at least 2 years behind the competition (perhaps more), their app is probably 10 years behind the competition (what a piece of junk) and the lack of remote start capability from the app is shocking (Ford provided it from day 1 for free) when they enabled it in only the Odyssey and the Accord.

If Honda fixed all of the above and added front and 360-cameras the PP would actually be an "elite" vehicle rather than just a marketing term for the trim level. They obviously considered at least one more camera based on the Infotainment UI (to edit the settings for the camera you have to select the "rear" camera-- why have a selection at all when there is no choice?)

Oh and now that I'm officially in my Honda rant mode, that stupid disclaimer every time I start the engine!!! How did I function as a driver for 30 years without someone nagging me to drive carefully? The car knows that I'm using the "driver 1" FOB so it should know that I've seen the disclaimer already. Heck, if you want to remind me about it weekly, I can handle it, but every... single... time?!? Who made that decision?!?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
160 Posts
I also have everything turned off in my Passport; the automatic high beams only work in areas where there is no other light source.
i know and u have to be at a certain speed as well. im gonna have mine checked at some point when i HAVE to go to dealer. im not fond of dealerships lol
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
106 Posts
i know and u have to be at a certain speed as well. im gonna have mine checked at some point when i HAVE to go to dealer. im not fond of dealerships lol
Funny you should say that; the last time I took my Passport to the dealership due to the infamous infotainment system error, the glovebox light will now only turn on when the headlights are on. ?:mad:o_O
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
373 Posts
Your rants are right on. My F150 has all the bells and the bells all work flawlessly. The bells on my Elite go ‘clunk’. This will be my last Honda.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
49 Posts
My three-year old CR-V Touring had a nearly identical sensing package that worked great. I thought that my new Passport would be at least as good or perhaps benefitting from three years of refinement. While the auto high beams and ACC in my CR-V worked perfectly fine, they seem to be a work in progress for the Passport. Other than those annoyances I love my Passport Touring and just hope Honda is working on a software upgrade.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
315 Posts
Agreed. I like the PP much better since I recently turned the sensing stuff off. I had a civic touring for a rental once and it seemed to work very well in that car and it was 3 years ago. I’m sure they will at some point release a software update that will fix most of it. Just odd since it’s based off the pilot but it’s a first year run vehicle
Your rants are right on. My F150 has all the bells and the bells all work flawlessly. The bells on my Elite go ‘clunk’. This will be my last Honda.
I’ll complain all day about my issues with the PP but I’ll push it down the road before I buy a Ford.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
373 Posts
I’ll complain all day about my issues with the PP but I’ll push it down the road before I buy a Ford.
It Is certainly your choice where you spend your money and your choice what you choose to push. I’ve owned over 40 vehicles in my driving years, most of them new. These include GM, Honda, Toyota, Ford, Dodge, and Mazda. This includes 6 Honda’s. My Passport is the first to disappoint me In the first few months. When I complained to my dealer, he says he knows and hopes, with many of us, that a software patch is coming.
Mike.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
207 Posts
Seems most of us hate the sensing. I'm irked enough it is useless, but actually quite angry about the false detections and slamming brakes off of road signs, oncoming traffic or cars turning off ahead. No settings help, it just all sucks. I feel much less safe with the garbage sensing distractions in city traffic. None of it works well, and also the sensor and camera locations suck as do the blind spot indications that should be on the front corner of that black plastic or in the mirror.

I hate having to disable 4 or 5 systems to drive uninterrupted. Either give us what we paid for, let us save the disabled states permanently, or expect lots of bad blood. I like a lot about this car but this sensing is the one thing that is keeping me from enjoying and overlooking the other fit and finish issues, such as stupid fob sensing proximity or too bright lights all over the cabin at night.

There is so much good about the vehicle but a hefty amount of poorly implemented or finished systems. My last car was flawless in every feature but the drivetrain was not reliable. I'm used to Honda doing things weirdly their way but not completely messing up like they have with sensing and some of the other features.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
184 Posts
As I’ve settled into my PP (almost 17k miles now), most of the auto sensing works fine for me. I don’t know why, but for the first few weeks the auto high beams seemed to switch on when I didn’t think they should...now, I don’t know when was the last time I saw them switch on. Since I live in the city with lots of oncoming traffic and street lights, they rarely need to be on for me.
The one exception to the above is ACC...there are times it activates when I don’t think it should, and (more distressing) doesn’t activate when it should. I have played with the distance adjustment to minimize this activity, but this is the one safety feature I think could be due for a recall.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
11 Posts
My biggest complaint is the collision avoidance system. The false positives are infuriating!!! Driving home on a curvy road last night every time a set of headlights met us the damn thing would vibrate the wheel and pop up brake on the dash. 4 times in 2 miles!!! I know I can disable it every time I start the car but I keep forgetting. We've had 2 Acuras, a charger, and a RAM with the same technology and they never had this problem.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
45 Posts
I love how the car drives. And that's what I do with it. I drive. The sensing stuff...it's ok. It's not a self-driving car. It all works well enough for me. I put on ACC and lane keep every time I'm on the freeway. Correcting the lane keep on curves keeps me engaged. :p . It's lane keep assist -- not self-driving.

The headlights seem to work fine. Are people sure they're activating them? The auto-change deactivates if you manually flip high/low. You then need to re-flip to reactivate. The system is set so that, if you're manually using your highbeams, the car will leave you alone. You have to ask it to automate the high/low. It's not the default setting.

But mostly...i've been very pleasantly surprised at how it drives and handles. Easy driving, harder cornering...it's great. Anything similar is well over $50k, or has turbos.

Come back and show me a 250k mile direct-injection turbo four in 15 years, and I'll consider one (talking to you, Blue Oval). I like my $39k Elite PP with its naturally aspirated low-stress V6. My 03 Pilot went 275k miles with nothing more than maintenance.

In the meantime, I'll do what I've been doing for 43 years -- steering my own car.

(The ACC could use work, though...)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
11 Posts
You're not wrong, the passport is a fine handler given its size. It has plenty of power. However as owners we should all be disgusted with how much the safety features and infotainment system fail. Whether you use all of them or not, whether you care if they work or not, you can be guaranteed you paid for them. They were factored into the price of the vehicle and they should damn well work right. An occasional hiccup is understandable, its a manmade machine, destined to fail. The behaviors most of us are experiencing are often and consistent - listen up Honda, you need to fix this shit.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
207 Posts
You're not wrong, the passport is a fine handler given its size. It has plenty of power. However as owners we should all be disgusted with how much the safety features and infotainment system fail. Whether you use all of them or not, whether you care if they work or not, you can be guaranteed you paid for them. They were factored into the price of the vehicle and they should damn well work right. An occasional hiccup is understandable, its a manmade machine, destined to fail. The behaviors most of us are experiencing are often and consistent - listen up Honda, you need to fix this shit.
Exactly. I made a separate thread with links on an easy place to report your concerns to Honda. I suggest doing that and calling your dealer to let them know the Sensing SUCKS. Only when enough voices shout will they listen. This forum is NOT read by Honda or officially attached to them in any way.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
207 Posts
I love how the car drives. And that's what I do with it. I drive. The sensing stuff...it's ok. It's not a self-driving car. It all works well enough for me. I put on ACC and lane keep every time I'm on the freeway. Correcting the lane keep on curves keeps me engaged. :p . It's lane keep assist -- not self-driving.

The headlights seem to work fine. Are people sure they're activating them? The auto-change deactivates if you manually flip high/low. You then need to re-flip to reactivate. The system is set so that, if you're manually using your highbeams, the car will leave you alone. You have to ask it to automate the high/low. It's not the default setting.

But mostly...i've been very pleasantly surprised at how it drives and handles. Easy driving, harder cornering...it's great. Anything similar is well over $50k, or has turbos.

Come back and show me a 250k mile direct-injection turbo four in 15 years, and I'll consider one (talking to you, Blue Oval). I like my $39k Elite PP with its naturally aspirated low-stress V6. My 03 Pilot went 275k miles with nothing more than maintenance.

In the meantime, I'll do what I've been doing for 43 years -- steering my own car.

(The ACC could use work, though...)
Sounds like you are pretty easy to please. Don't misunderstand, I think most of us like the vehicle despite flaws, and none of us thinks it is self driving.

Wouldn't you like it better if the ACC paced better and the LKAS did not bounce of the lane sides or lose lock on every tiny thing? That is what other Honda models and other brands provide- go test drive almost anything else and those two systems are both a lot better. Also, if you have never had the collision avoidance auto brakes false trigger you are lucky. In urban areas the system throws the very distracting "Brake" warnings way too often and in rare cases will apply brakes or even slam on them for NO reason. I've seen it trigger on signs, bushes, cyclists, oncoming traffic, etc. I drive very defensively and with a lot of room ahead of me and see about one activation of at least the "Brake" warning a day, and have had brakes applied falsely 3 times in 2000 miles, twice softly and once hard with a car right behind me who probably thought I had brake checked them. The warnings are a danger themselves as they can really startle, but the car making poor and dangerous choices on when to brake in the name of safety is unforgivable.

The LKAS and ACC need work, even the classic cruise control does too (so much lag to button commands). The collision braking system is flat dangerous and should be disabled by default and stay disabled when starting the car for the next drive (as do the LKAS, ACC, Auto Brights, etc unless activated). IF it is in use, Honda needs to dial it WAY back to trigger only when a collision is actually imminent. The sensor logic in the firmware, and or the hardware itself, do a poor job of making decisions and deciding what is a car or pedestrian.

Auto brights, if you give it a real test, and not just try it out to see it work a few times, gets confused by house lights and signs, misses dimming about 20% of the time, may not turn back on when it should and is completely useless in most suburbs or cities. It is fine on the open road and to be fair, most brands auto high beams suck. I'd rather not have a feature than have a crappy version of it.

To me, it makes way more sense to discuss around here send polite notice to Honda than to sit in silence or just decide to be arbitrarily happy. You can complain without being rude and things can actually change, all while still enjoying the other aspects of the car.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
315 Posts
It Is certainly your choice where you spend your money and your choice what you choose to push. I’ve owned over 40 vehicles in my driving years, most of them new. These include GM, Honda, Toyota, Ford, Dodge, and Mazda. This includes 6 Honda’s. My Passport is the first to disappoint me In the first few months. When I complained to my dealer, he says he knows and hopes, with many of us, that a software patch is coming.
Mike.
This is Honda #16 for me and I’ve had a gmc, VW, Toyota, a Ford (Mustang), and an Acura. I agree with this one being the most disappointing vehicle I’ve had as well. However, once I turned the sensing stuff off, I’m growing quite fond of it. Soon I will disconnect that rear sensor for the lift gate beeps and I’ll be in pretty good shape. The trans is suspect but I doubt anything terrible will happen before I trade up. But yes, I can’t believe Honda put something so rough around the edges into production.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
156 Posts
Discussion Starter · #19 ·
I put all my complaints on my survey,
All the sensing is bad and dangerous.
the auto high beams is a disappointment
flashing on and off every few seconds going down side road
because houses have outside lights on, it's a POS.
VW's works way better as does probably every
other auto maker.
Luckily I didn't buy the vehicle for these features
and they can be disabled.
Also glad |I bought the sport so I don't
have all the other crap that don't work properly.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
104 Posts
Honda Sensing sure needs a lot of work. In the tech features the only thing the PP Elite beats my 2017 Ford Escape Titanium is in the bluetooth reliability. Granted, the Escape was probably using BT 4.0 or 4.1 and PP is probably on 5.0 which likely addresses the issues rather than something Honda being better at. Also, the infotainment screen is nicer. Take away that and I'd have a hard time saying there's anything technologically better in a 2019 vehicle than a 2017 vehicle and that is the most disappointing thing. Ford's ACC worked nearly flawlessly, auto-high beams worked better, had remote start from a completely free app, had more sensors in the front, rear and side, blind spot warning indicator was better placed, it never applied the brakes automatically (absence is better than false hard braking), it didn't have LKAS (but lack of that beats the false alerts) so as a whole, Sensing is beyond sub-par considering where Ford was 2 years ago.

I honestly don't think any form of complaining will improve much considering they made since they had no problem releasing these features that were so flawed and many couldn't be fixed (can't add more sensors, can't remote start from the app, nothing they can do to move the blind spot indicator location). Whether they can address the LKAS, auto-high beam or ACC, hard braking is debatable considering it took Acura over a year to provide Android Auto for the 2019 RDX.
 
1 - 20 of 39 Posts
Top