[stevenD]

I have been thinking about this since July, (when I bought my new Wheels), but am just now getting around to posting it, when a person here mentioned it in a slightly different context..

It was noted that Honda uses a "ball seat" wheel nut while most aftermarket use "conical seat". Everyone who has switched to Aftermarket (Non-Honda) Wheels AND has switched Lug Nuts, needs to look into one of these options:

1) Verify that your After-Market Lug Nuts will work with the Honda mini-me spare tire.
2) Make sure you carry FIVE of the Original Lug Nuts with your spare.

Thoughts?

 

[carpayments4life]

Yes, keeping 5 of the OEM lug nuts next to the fuel funnel is required, when using after market rims, which use a unique (anti-Honda) lug nut.
Those aftermarket lug nuts usually require a different lug wrench, too.

If one of your front tires is flat... use the mini-spare on the rear of the vehicle.
1. remove a good rear full sized tire.
2. install the mini-spare at that rear location.
3. put the full sized tire on the front.

 

[Cilles]

Good point and one I had not thought of! Makes it more important to get me that full sized spare tire!
I got the different kind of lug wrench with a spline socket and ½" driver.

Anyone know a good place to get inexpensive replacement lug nuts?
I see this but not very cheap and only a set of 4, we need 5 don't we? I even put in my make and model and it suggested this.

Honda online store : You are shopping for 2019 PASSPORT Parts Catalog (2019 PASSPORT 5 ELITE AWD 9AT)

eStore by American Honda

estore.honda.com

 

[carpayments4life]

Put your original 20 oem lug nuts in a zip lock sandwich bag, with the correct 1/2" drive (22mm????) socket, next to your fuel funnel.
Genuine Honda Wheel Chrome Lug Nut (M14) 90304-TK4-A01

You can find them on e-bay 20 each for $50 free shipping or at a local rim shop, for about $2.50 each.

 

[Cilles]

Thanks, I do see I need them and I have the OEM lug wrench to use on them.

 

[Moab Junky]

I have been thinking about this since July, (when I bought my new Wheels), but am just now getting around to posting it, when a person here mentioned it in a slightly different context..

It was noted that Honda uses a "ball seat" wheel nut while most aftermarket use "conical seat". Everyone who has switched to Aftermarket (Non-Honda) Wheels AND has switched Lug Nuts, needs to look into one of these options:

1) Verify that your After-Market Lug Nuts will work with the Honda mini-me spare tire.
2) Make sure you carry FIVE of the Original Lug Nuts with your spare.

Thoughts?

Spot on my friend. I always wrap 5 stock lug nuts up in an old sock and place it on the spare tire.

 

[johara1]

Do you plan to use the donut with over sized tires? That should be interesting to see how it works.......

 

[ProdGirl]

I did not think about this when switching my wheels out, and sold the OEM lug nuts with the OEM tires, (to the guy in the lowered minivan).

Calling America’s Tire now.

 

[ProdGirl]

Just stopped by America’s Tire, Dean said I’m good with the lug nuts on the KMC wheels. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[Moab Junky]

Do you plan to use the donut with over sized tires? That should be interesting to see how it works.......

I couldn't agree more. The computer in an AWD car will probably go ape chit crazy when one tire has a significant different circumference. It would probably apply the brake on that wheel.

 

[Moab Junky]

I did not think about this when switching my wheels out, and sold the OEM lug nuts with the OEM tires, (to the guy in the lowered minivan).

Calling America’s Tire now.

"Lowered mini van" lol. Thanks for the laugh Prodgirl 😆

 

[ProdGirl]

"Lowered mini van" lol. Thanks for the laugh Prodgirl 😆

I can’t make this up...🤣🤣

 

[stevenD]

Wait, are those Passport Elite wheels on an Odyssey?

 

[ProdGirl]

Wait, are those Passport Elite wheels on an Odyssey?

those are MY OEM wheels on the dudes lowered minivan!!

I was so over trying to get rid of them I just said, yeah - they should look great!

 

[Moab Junky]

those are MY OEM wheels on the dudes lowered minivan!!

I was so over trying to get rid of them I just said, yeah - they should look great!

And they do look great! If only the van had air bags, lol.

 

[ProdGirl]

And they do look great! If only the van had air bags, lol.

🤣🤣🤣

 

[storm303]

I couldn't agree more. The computer in an AWD car will probably go ape chit crazy when one tire has a significant different circumference. It would probably apply the brake on that wheel.

Shouldn't the independent electronic AWD (which our Passport has) be less vulnerable to issues from wheel diameter differences than older full-time AWD cars with mechanical differentials? I thought what risked problems was the mechanical linkage stressed by different diameters. The computer will just see less or more revolutions per minute.

The spare tire is already tiny compared to the stock diameter like most cars. Tire pressure, manufacturer, tread wear, etc. can all effect actual diameter of tires. I'd be quite surprised if the Passport AWD cannot handle some reasonable variance without damage for emergency spare use- maybe another story if you drove around a month like that or really fast.

Just thinking out loud, I'm not an AWD expert.

 

[Moab Junky]

You may be spot on. I'm not an engineer either.
I just know how many moving parts there are in just the rear differential alone.

If you put the wrong fluid in or go over on miles before changing it, it will throw a big ol fit.
When one wheel spins, the computer makes adjustments. I would think a grossly undersized spare would trick the computer into thinking that that tire is in fact spinning.

That being said, I know Honda lovers will say that Hondas are perfect and the spare is perfect.

I don't want any trouble, not looking to get flamed here.

I really don't want to risk running the donut on my new car. I wouldn't worry about it in town or close by. But 200 miles from an open tire shop, no thanks.

You made good points!

 

[storm303]

You may be spot on. I'm not an engineer either.
I just know how many moving parts there are in just the rear differential alone.

If you put the wrong fluid in or go over on miles before changing it, it will throw a big ol fit.
When one wheel spins, the computer makes adjustments. I would think a grossly undersized spare would trick the computer into thinking that that tire is in fact spinning.

That being said, I know Honda lovers will say that Hondas are perfect and the spare is perfect.

I don't want any trouble, not looking to get flamed here.

I really don't want to risk running the donut on my new car. I wouldn't worry about it in town or close by. But 200 miles from an open tire shop, no thanks.

You made good points!

I personally will never say the spare is perfect or especially ever say that Honda is perfect, hope I didn't sound like I was flaming you. I was thinking through this for my own comfort as I drive some really rural areas in the plains with rough dirt county roads but don't want to have a full size spare, and can usually get to help or get it to me pretty easy.

I agree the spare should be used, well, sparingly, even if our AWD will not be badly damaged. I'd say max of 50mph and 25-50 miles to a rescue on mostly civil roads should be about the most extreme use of it, but that would get me out of most situations. A flatbed tow should be called in some cases. I have fix-o-flat and air compressor with me in hopes of never using the spare unless catastrophic tire damage happens. If I do any serious off-roading I'll probably go with a full size on the roof rack.

 

[Moab Junky]

No offense taken storm303 .
"Sparingly" lol.
Cheers