[jppelec]

 

[fx_chip]

Honda has probably reached some sort of "recall but no recall" agreement with the NHTSA. I guess that's some relief for affected owners who have endured the past 4/5 years of being told - "you are not driving it enough that's why it won't restart when the light turns green" by dealers.

Honda Pilot Stop-Start Failures Under Investigation By NHTSA

The federal regulator is investigating reports regarding engines not restarting after the auto stop-start system activates.

www.thedrive.com

 

[PNWGarageDad]

Those that have the iddlestopper, you can pat yourself on the back! You were ahead of honda! 👏👏

 

[Chief65]

There really ought to be legislation put forth to allow switching this off. The wear and tear on components as well as peoples sanity quite frankly with having to toggle this thing off constantly is absurd.

 

[ballisticexchris]

The start stop does not bother me much and works pretty much seamless. Exception is it's a little rough when engine is cold. When the vehicle is cold (first start of the day) I shut it off. Once things warm up I just leave it on. Pretty slick feature. Try as a will, I cannot move my foot from brake to go pedal quicker than the restart.

One thing I highly recommend is to set your Passport up with pigtail and keep it on a battery maintainer of some sort when parked for more than a few days. The parasitic draws on these modern vehicles are no joke. Even After 2 days setting in the driveway I'm at less than 75% battery charge. It takes overnight top get it over 75% at a 2 amp charge.

Good news is Honda has made it super duper convenient to disable. A single push switch right behind shift button to disable/enable. Time will tell if I get the bulletin.

 

[penzance]

Honda has already made this compromise "recall but no recall" agreement on their vehicles.
With many complaints from their Acura customers, Honda was faced with the same Idle Stop issues on their AWD TLX, which coincidentally shares the the same J35Y6 3.5 engine, the same ZF9 transmission, the same electronic push-button transmission control, and the same H6 AGM battery as it installed on the Passport/Pilot/Ridgeline. Honda is finally offering the same software 'solution', but only after many similar complaints from P/P/R owners and waiting another year before HondaCorp decided to include Passport/Pilot/Ridgeline in it's 'recall but no recall' solution.

Interesting that even though Honda denies this is a recall, the final instructions of the
Idle Stop Software states:
"Fill out a Vehicle Emissions Recall – Proof of Correction certificate, and use SC8 as the recall number. Have the service consultant give the certificate to your client and advise them to keep it as proof that the recall was completed."

 

[jasonpp]

Is this something can be done over the air or I have to bring my car to the dealer?
Although I don't use the auto start stop function it would be nice to have the latest software.

 

[penzance]

jasonpp, The previous Honda/Acura TSB 22-008 required dealership service, (.2 hour labor), it's not a simple over-the-air software update

Hopefully Honda will offer to also extend their warranty on the starter to 10-years like they did to 'correct' the same problem on the TLX. See attachments

 

[ballisticexchris]

What I find quite odd is the VIN numbers effected are not listed. Every service bulletin I have ever encountered has the VIN's effected on it.

Also on NHTSA I see nothing but 5 complaints (service brakes/forward collision avoidance) on my 2022, 37 complaints on 2021 and zero complaints on 2020. Not one complaint on the start stop malfunction.

I figure this issue with the start stop is pretty rare. I imagine it's fixed automatically when the vehicle is brought into dealer for service. And it does not have to be a Honda dealer. My local shop checks and corrects any kind of service bulletin on various manufacturers vehicles.

 

[fx_chip]

What I find quite odd is the VIN numbers effected are not listed. Every service bulletin I have ever encountered has the VIN's effected on it.

Also on NHTSA I see nothing but 5 complaints (service brakes/forward collision avoidance) on my 2022, 37 complaints on 2021 and zero complaints on 2020. Not one complaint on the start stop malfunction.

I figure this issue with the start stop is pretty rare. I imagine it's fixed automatically when the vehicle is brought into dealer for service. And it does not have to be a Honda dealer. My local shop checks and corrects any kind of service bulletin on various manufacturers vehicles.

The start stop issue is not rare, the chart below says NHTSA received 1,016 complaints from 2016 Pilot owners and it launched one investigation of the issue, that investigation nudged Honda into rolling out the present solution.

Yes those are Pilot owners but after several years of owning Hondas you will realize that a lot of Honda/Acura vehicles are largely identical when you strip back the body panels. In addition to that, NHTSA has a threshold before it responds to complaints so as far as the Honda Idle Stop issues are concerned, complaints from the owners of the 2016 Honda Pilot must have crossed that threshold before the other vehicles/years.
Whatever issues the owners of the 2016-2022 Pilot are experiencing will likely be the issues being experienced by owners of 2019-2022 Passport and 2020-2023 Ridgeline because all these vehicles share almost everything except body panels. So when Honda offers a solution to the Idle Stop complaints the NHTSA was/is investigating in the 2016 Pilot, it's only natural to extend the solution to all vehicles that will be having same issues.

 

[ballisticexchris]

I'm still confused? This is a newer Passport. I'm assuming these start/stop issues have been addressed and updated in later model years. Both Honda and Toyota are known for fixing issues each new model year.

I can't imagine the start/stop issue has been ignored. I'm not too concerned. You how it is; anything that is a small problem gets blown out of proportion one the forums. We are a very small percentage of owners. IMHO this is not as serious as it's made out to be.

It is almost similar to the few VCM issues that were complained about when Honda rolled it out in 2003. After just a few model years the problems were all but eliminated. And still, even today forum members across the Honda forums are claiming problems that are near non existent.

I'm thinking that most drivers just don't like the start/stop technology and are exaggerating this issue.

 

[ellisd]

I got a recall notification about something on Hondalink yesterday. Believe it's this but the text isn't fully there. P30 campaign is the code

 

[Sweetness2022]

It’s hard to believe that a company like Honda (number one benefit of the brand is the perception of reliability) would take 3-4 years to do ANYTHING about all the customer complaints.

Although we shouldn’t be surprised considering how long the speaker crackling has been around.


Still a nice auto overall though, hopefully Honda realizes in the modern times bad press spreads like wildfire and they shouldn’t be taking MULTIPLE years to fix issues when the entire brand relies on the the perception of (or actual) reliability.


Edit: Will ask the dealer during next tire rotation, thanks for the post!

 

[Mrevets]

The start stop does not bother me much and works pretty much seamless. Exception is it's a little rough when engine is cold. When the vehicle is cold (first start of the day) I shut it off. Once things warm up I just leave it on. Pretty slick feature. Try as a will, I cannot move my foot from brake to go pedal quicker than the restart.

One thing I highly recommend is to set your Passport up with pigtail and keep it on a battery maintainer of some sort when parked for more than a few days. The parasitic draws on these modern vehicles are no joke. Even After 2 days setting in the driveway I'm at less than 75% battery charge. It takes overnight top get it over 75% at a 2 amp charge.

Good news is Honda has made it super duper convenient to disable. A single push switch right behind shift button to disable/enable. Time will tell if I get the bulletin.

You peaked my interest in this posting. "set your Passport up with pigtail". What does this look like? What did you install? What battery maintainer did you get?
Thanks

 

[elder prep]

I'm no fan of the start/stop feature on my 2019 Elite either, but after almost four years of excellent performance and reliability, it's not the end of the world when I forget to click it off. Ken in PA

 

[ballisticexchris]

It’s hard to believe that a company like Honda (number one benefit of the brand is the perception of reliability) would take 3-4 years to do ANYTHING about all the customer complaints.

That's exactly true. Honda is known for fixing known defects right away just like Toyota. And as to why I take with a grain of salt a quirk that is blown out of proportion on the forums.

Although we shouldn’t be surprised considering how long the speaker crackling has been around.

I'm quite surprised. Never heard of that one before.

You peaked my interest in this posting. "set your Passport up with pigtail". What does this look like? What did you install? What battery maintainer did you get?
Thanks

Here you go. We have 4 vehicles and 2 motorcycles that are rotated into service. My 2005 GMC Sierra sets permanent in driveway so it's got its own stand alone solar charge controller hooked up with a portable hard solar panel when parked. GMC and the 1998 Lexus gets driven the least.

Just for fun here is my GMC Sierra. It was a ton of labor for me to set up it up with Mechman alternator, dual batteries and the "Big Three". On top of that it has a solar charge controller with app so I can set a custom charging algorithm to keep both AGM batteries healthy.

I wish I could do something like this on the Passport. There is just not enough space under the hood. Not to mention all the complicated ECU and computerization that can be damaged. So a simple Jackery Solar Generator fits my needs.

As far as the start/stop feature malfunctioning, I'm in the camp of most of this being end user (owners) error. If the vehicle is not being driven daily then I can see all kinds of electrical related problems cropping up. These new vehicles from all manufacturers across the board are not designed to be setting. I knew well before plunking down my money that I was going to get on board with preventative care of the electrical system.

 

[fx_chip]

And as to why I take with a grain of salt a quirk that is blown out of proportion on the forums.

You keep using the anecdotal 'car forum rage' example as if you imagine NHTSA or Honda investigates or fixes problems based of forum posts. You can disagree about your vehicle's quality but your experience is limited to your vehicle alone. In this case Honda must have received scores of complaints about this problem from its dealer network even if both the NHTSA investigation and the class action lawsuit about the Idle Stop feature do not exist. Car manufacturers don't recall cars because of innocuous "quirks".

I'm quite surprised. Never heard of that one before.

This response perfectly characterizes your opinion on this issue, you form concrete opinions despite having limited knowledge of Honda vehicles or the issues being described. In case you like to know, every 2019-2021 Passport/Pilot and 2018-2021 Odyssey owner has heard about the crackling and popping infotainment issue either because they had the issue in their vehicle or they received an invitation from Honda to come and fix it. Even then, it remains a sore point for many owners of the 2019-2021 years.

I understand that it's human to insist we made the perfect choice even if things seems a bit wonky on the edges after the wrapping is off, however, if a 2022 Passport is your first Honda, I think it's crass and farcical to dump on the owners of the previous years by insisting the problems they had is a figment of their imagination.
I'm silently dreading when someone mentions the Hood Recall for some 2019 Passport, 2016-2019 Pilot and 2017-2020 Ridgeline because you are likely going to say it's the owners fault if they don't lock their hoods well even if the problem led to Honda discontinuing aluminum hoods in 2022 and then introduce a double latch in the 2023 Pilot.

With that said, I'm not here to criticize Honda, I've owned Honda and Acura vehicles exclusively all my life and we presently have a 2020 Passport Touring which I consider a great vehicle, one of the best in it's class, nevertheless, I don't consider Honda as a manufacturer of fail safe nuclear reactors.

 

[fx_chip]

jasonpp, The previous Honda/Acura TSB 22-008 required dealership service, (.2 hour labor), it's not a simple over-the-air software update

Hopefully Honda will offer to also extend their warranty on the starter to 10-years like they did to 'correct' the same problem on the TLX. See attachments

This!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a warranty extension on the starter of the 2019-2021 Passport, I can imagine the starter in these vehicle have taken an undue amount of beating in the past 4 years. If Honda doesn't, that is probably going to be the reason of the next class action lawsuit.

 

[ballisticexchris]

fx_chip, I will respectfully have to disagree in regards to your arguments and rebuttals toward me. No vehicle is perfect. However, these Honda mechanical problems are getting blown way out of proportion. 5 NHTSA complaints (none for the stop start feature) for a 2022 Passport is not representative of the 10's of thousands that have rolled off the assembly line.

I'm not discounting the fact that there are a few of these having issues with re-starting in traffic. I will be in line at the dealer for the update if I get the letter.

I am 100% certain this software update is going to be nothing more than restricting functions that require electrical output while the vehicle is sitting not running and attempting to start. Also the start stop will also be disabled more frequently as the software is going to increase the cranking amp and voltage requirement out of the battery before allowing it to function while driving.

I'm intelligent enough to know better than to run a blower, lights, wipers, inverters, etc when turning the key to start a vehicle. Apparently (at least with mine) Honda realizes that owners are not doing their due diligence in regards to common sense by either automatically shutting off electricity to high amp draw components or temporarily disabling the start stop feature.

I already have more than "anecdotal" proof of how the start/stop feature works. When the vehicle is setting for a few days and you head out in local stop and go errands, start stop does not work hardly at all. This is due to the battery losing power from setting. When I keep it on a charger/maintainer and do that same type of driving, it works seamless right from the get go.

My Mothers Toyota Highlander is exactly the same. The start stop hardly works at all when the vehicle has been setting in the driveway a few days.

 

[fx_chip]

fx_chip, I will respectfully have to disagree in regards to your arguments and rebuttals toward me. No vehicle is perfect. However, these Honda mechanical problems are getting blown way out of proportion. 5 NHTSA complaints (none for the stop start feature) for a 2022 Passport is not representative of the 10's of thousands that have rolled off the assembly line.

At the risk of joining you in going round in circles I will point out again that the 2022 is not the genesis of the Idle Stop issues, it started with the 2016 Pilot which the NHTSA received thousands of complaints on, the same 2016 Pilot is largely identical to all Passports when you pull the skin back. I made a point of this numbers earlier, you replied about you being confused why it remains unfixed until Honda released a Service Bulletin for it this month to cover all affected cars including the 2022 Passport, but here you are again a few posts down, claiming only 5 complaints exists. The complaints since the 2016 Pilot are about the Idle Stop system in the Pilot, not about the Pilot itself, that same system is in all Passports from 2019 till 2022.

And yes everyone knows how Idle Stop systems works since Bosch developed the second generation of the system for BMW in 2008, however, if all car manufacturers are not using the same management program for their Idle Stop system it's ridiculous to claim because it works great in your mother's Highlander then anyone that thinks the system in their car is faulty must lack common sense.