American Honda Sales - October 2019
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If you use truecar, edmunds, costco, etc you can finally get a big enough discount to buy a PP.
Without a $6,000 discount sales are very poor.
What is Honda going to do in February, when the 2020 PP arrives ($8,000 discount)?
Without a $6,000 discount sales are very poor.
What is Honda going to do in February, when the 2020 PP arrives ($8,000 discount)?
"What is Honda going to do in February, when the 2020 PP arrives ($8,000 discount)?"
They're gonna do what all auto manufacturers do, they'll ask (and receive) exorbitant amounts of money on the newest models.
Last mid July, 2018 I told my Ford dealer I was gonna wait on year end discounts before purchasing a new F350 dually.
As he wanted a sale he asked me for my bid - I offered 12K off its retail ($72K), simultaneously asking a high amount ($30K) on my SRW very low mileage 4 year old F250 trade in. After an hours consideration he accepted.
So obviously there is significant room for motivated dealers to maneuver.
They're gonna do what all auto manufacturers do, they'll ask (and receive) exorbitant amounts of money on the newest models.
Last mid July, 2018 I told my Ford dealer I was gonna wait on year end discounts before purchasing a new F350 dually.
As he wanted a sale he asked me for my bid - I offered 12K off its retail ($72K), simultaneously asking a high amount ($30K) on my SRW very low mileage 4 year old F250 trade in. After an hours consideration he accepted.
So obviously there is significant room for motivated dealers to maneuver.
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Passport appears to be eating into the Pilot sales. Passport+Pilot combined October sales is -301 from the number of Pilots sold in 10/18. Year to date, the combination is +8,890. It's similar to what happened with the Element/CRV. It brings in some new sales, but it actually is an alternative to an existing model. It's an option for buyers shopping elsewhere for a 2-row SUV when they clearly didn't need a 3-row.
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Lot's of great points people...
I see PP out sold the Ridgeline by 1,100 last month and has outsold it by 2,500 for the year, despite noy going on sale until Feb-2019.
AND Honda sales are UP over 2018, so someone somewhere at Honda Corp must be smiling...!
I see PP out sold the Ridgeline by 1,100 last month and has outsold it by 2,500 for the year, despite noy going on sale until Feb-2019.
AND Honda sales are UP over 2018, so someone somewhere at Honda Corp must be smiling...!
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I like the idea of owning and driving a niche vehicle. I wonder if discussions in the early months of transmission problems scared off potential buyers?
It is not even in the same class to be compared. HRV is a compact SUV. For all makers, these outsell larger and more premium cars because more people can afford them and more people need small conveyance.
Interesting that they traded Pilot for Passport sales but didn't pull in more total midsize SUV sales yet.
I just hope the reliability ends up acceptable with less vehicles sharing components over time. Toyota sells more than 240,000 Highlanders in the US market per year and has had the same engine, body and interior for six years, which boggles the mind. The engineering and supply chain support they have for that one vehicle would be like all of Honda twice over.
Honda reliability and finish has struggled lately compared to the glory days. While I like the vehicle enough and see signs of Honda improving, there are also plenty of signs of how they continue to opt for cheap assembly options and fit and finish issues abound. I'll take that any day over more serious issues like engine and transmission issues that Hyundai / Kia were having, but its funny no one maker gets it all right. They all focus hard on one area. Hyundai / Kia amazingly thought out and finished with a decent ride, but major drivetrain issues at least as late as 2018. Toyota, most reliable on planet and quietest interiors of non premium cars, but also the most out of date, boring, uncomfortable cars. Honda/Acura is somewhere between with improved interiors, very responsive driving feel, and decent but not amazing reliability for models sold in the last ten years. Subaru are decent and balanced all around but limited engine options, some reliability concerns on some models and annoying owner culture. American brands? Pfffttt still a joke for reliability except for the big models like F150, Silverado, etc. and fit and finish issues on many but usually coolest looks and features. If Jeep wasn't Chrysler and was actually reliable they would dominate the market. Won't even get into premium brands.
If Honda were to spend just a tad more to further refine reliability and upscale their cabins, I could see their sales really start to shoot up fast and dismiss brands like Kia/Hyundai/Subaru from the SUV market. Not sure I see Honda being that aggressive though. They think too much like Toyota without as legendary of reliability in recent years.
I just hope the reliability ends up acceptable with less vehicles sharing components over time. Toyota sells more than 240,000 Highlanders in the US market per year and has had the same engine, body and interior for six years, which boggles the mind. The engineering and supply chain support they have for that one vehicle would be like all of Honda twice over.
Honda reliability and finish has struggled lately compared to the glory days. While I like the vehicle enough and see signs of Honda improving, there are also plenty of signs of how they continue to opt for cheap assembly options and fit and finish issues abound. I'll take that any day over more serious issues like engine and transmission issues that Hyundai / Kia were having, but its funny no one maker gets it all right. They all focus hard on one area. Hyundai / Kia amazingly thought out and finished with a decent ride, but major drivetrain issues at least as late as 2018. Toyota, most reliable on planet and quietest interiors of non premium cars, but also the most out of date, boring, uncomfortable cars. Honda/Acura is somewhere between with improved interiors, very responsive driving feel, and decent but not amazing reliability for models sold in the last ten years. Subaru are decent and balanced all around but limited engine options, some reliability concerns on some models and annoying owner culture. American brands? Pfffttt still a joke for reliability except for the big models like F150, Silverado, etc. and fit and finish issues on many but usually coolest looks and features. If Jeep wasn't Chrysler and was actually reliable they would dominate the market. Won't even get into premium brands.
If Honda were to spend just a tad more to further refine reliability and upscale their cabins, I could see their sales really start to shoot up fast and dismiss brands like Kia/Hyundai/Subaru from the SUV market. Not sure I see Honda being that aggressive though. They think too much like Toyota without as legendary of reliability in recent years.
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I think I'm the only person thinks the number looks fine for the first year of Passport.
Honda could use a better marketing campaign for Passport if it wants to sell more.
I don't see too many Passport in the ad.
Honda could use a better marketing campaign for Passport if it wants to sell more.
I don't see too many Passport in the ad.
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I agree nieuport17. After the first few months of promotion, it seems the PP disappeared. Without sustained promotion, sales will, of course, decline.
Ridgeline owners were making the same (no- advertisements) noise years ago, and yet it soldiers on.
I enjoyed my 2011 RL and had I not made a switch (2014?) from a bumper pull to a fifth wheel I might still be enjoying it.
If the perceived value (and long term quality) is there then it'll survive on its own merits.
Bye-bye Crosstour and Element.
I enjoyed my 2011 RL and had I not made a switch (2014?) from a bumper pull to a fifth wheel I might still be enjoying it.
If the perceived value (and long term quality) is there then it'll survive on its own merits.
Bye-bye Crosstour and Element.
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