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If it sells, they'll pitch it that way. Buyers love capability even if they never use it.
Correct. Just look at people now. Many have vehicles they don't need, or use to their capabilities. I asked one lady with a Trailsport how she liked it. Her response, "Oh, I love it. Just wanted something bigger than a CRV. I can fit all groceries in there." Me, "I travel all over through mountain zones, so that is why I got one." Her, "Oh, haha. Not me. I rarely leave town."

So why did you get the Trailsport trim? 🤣
 
I always use this example. When the second generation Ridgeline appeared in 2016, Honda said that something like 5% of folks tow and go offroad. A few years later with the Passport debut they were all about offroad in their marketing. My guess is that Honda was trying to lure Subaru buyers with a lifestyle approach. Ironic how now most of these vehicles would be banned from some public trails if they don't have AWD and I think a rear locker. Then for the 24 Ridgeline model, Honda debuts the TrailSport trim which adds very little to the non TS trims. All marketing.
 
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Then for the 24 Ridgeline model, Honda debuts the TrailSport trim which adds very little to the non TS trims. All marketing.
True!
For both the Pilot and the Passport Honda said the Trailsport suspension is "tuned for off-road" despite being mechanically identical to the suspension in all other trims. But where is the "special" tuning data? Non to be found.
 
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With Honda being known as a practical company, I feel that a 10" clearance isn't likely. Unless they exclusively use it for the Trailsport, I see it remaining as the factory height currently.
I share this opinion too. I think despite the wishes of a faction of Honda's design team and sections of Honda SUV buyers, Honda will end up releasing a vehicle that is a compromise between real off-road capabilities and it's heritage of practicality over capability. The main contributors to that decision will be weight saving efforts, the ever present improved gas mileage pursuits and the automobile press that has become largely hostile to gas guzzlers...especially when they are from Asian brands previously known for prudence.
 
Those latest videos give a decent look at the new shape, not bad at all. I'm curious though with this obsession of off road capability, granted I live in the northeast near a major city so no un paved roads. But how many people spend + $50,000 on a vehicle and then take it off road. I'm not talking about gravel roads for camping or a long un paved driveway, I'm talking rock climbing where all this approach and decent angle stuff come into play. Just wondering?
It's not just unpaved roads. Sometimes it's deep snow. The thing with capability is just like firearms, it's nice to have it when you don't need it than need it when you don't have it.
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Correct. Just look at people now. Many have vehicles they don't need, or use to their capabilities. I asked one lady with a Trailsport how she liked it. Her response, "Oh, I love it. Just wanted something bigger than a CRV. I can fit all groceries in there." Me, "I travel all over through mountain zones, so that is why I got one." Her, "Oh, haha. Not me. I rarely leave town."

So why did you the Trailsport trim? 🤣
I bought my 24 TS because I wanted a 2 row Honda SUV, bigger than a CRV, an I hate 20 inch rims. I know I know I know I could have bought the entry level Passport than bought some Ridgeline rims an new 18 inch tires, an now I have nearly TS money in the entry level Passport.
 
When I flash back to 2020, I think of the video that sold me on the PP, more than anybody else's. This dude drives pretty aggressively, on the street, with just stock tires after a pretty decent snowfall (at night too). That's what I wanted; something that can do what he's doing on the street in snow. One of the few videos that shows you that the TC + VTM is pretty top notch on snowy roads. You add some quality snow tires to that equation. and you can rock in the urban snow pretty good. I like my PP to be awesome for snow on asphalt, and it defintely is.
 
New images from Honda in article from cars.com. It looks like the Passport will get a larger infotainment screen than the Pilot. There will be a new storage layout in the rear. The article is located at: https://www.cars.com/articles/honda...reviews-enhanced-off-road-tech-accessories-for-2026-passport-trailsport-490750/

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I really like that Passport logo on the dash
Looks like they took down the article. I wonder if it was not supposed to be public.
 
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New images from Honda in article from cars.com. It looks like the Passport will get a larger infotainment screen than the Pilot. There will be a new storage layout in the rear. The article is located at: https://www.cars.com/articles/honda...reviews-enhanced-off-road-tech-accessories-for-2026-passport-trailsport-490750/
That's the 12.3 inch infotainment screen in the present generation (2023+) Honda Accord, possibly the biggest screen Honda has in a ICE car. It also has Android Automotive instead of Honda's own infotainment software. This makes me think Honda may not be treating the Passport like a half-loved appendage anymore.

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FYI skid plates are already from the factory on the Pilot Trailsport. They are not that heavy just enough to cover the important stuff when the going gets tough.
It looks like the Passport is not really what you want. You can greatly benefit from a CR-V if you don't care about capability and care about gas mileage.
Looks like it got good skid plate coverage from this picture. Hard to say how heavy it is though. Probably the same steel gauge as the 2023 Pilot skid plates.

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Because some of us live in the snowbelt and do snow sports as well.
I am not driving over boulders but I need the wheels to touch the ground in the snow.
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This is exactly why I bought a Passport, I would take an AWD over a 4x4 any day for on road snow driving, and Honda makes one of the best with their IVTM-4 & SH-AWD.
Sh!t that's a lot of snow. We usually take the Jeep up the mountains, but the last couple of years we took the Passport because the iVTM-4 is indeed awesome in snow (as mentioned above). Granted, this is Southern California snow...which is nothing like what some of you get... ❄❄❄

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Newest video:

It looks like Honda addressed most of the issues that people have with the current Passport. However, correct me if I’m wrong, there is no full size spare by the look of it in the rear. It seems like Honda still decided to chop the back end of the Pilot off to make it shorter but resulting not being able to mount a full spare under the vehicle. I wonder if it will have enough space in the trunk for a full spare.
 
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