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I wonder if there is a gear or something that we could use from the Trailsport to get our Speedometers properly calibrated?

Anyone know how to find out?

Since the Trailsport has 18" wheels/tires and the Elite (etc.) has 20" - I'm wondering of there is a mechanical part that is different in the two models that makes the Speedometer correct???
 

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Stock Trailsport 18" tires are 245/60R18
Stock Elites & Touring (R.I.P.) 20" tires are 265/45R20

Using your earlier thread, that calculator shows tire diameter difference of less than 1/4-inch.
Total circumference difference is just over 1/2-inch.

Then using those same tire sizes on another site (below), results show that at 60 MPH the speedometer difference is only 0.38 MPH difference.
Unlikely any cop radars can even register such a small difference.
As for long term odometer differences, even after 10,000 miles that total difference would be 0.69 mile.
So VERY unlikely Honda has any calibration or part difference.
 

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I wonder if there is a gear or something that we could use form the Trailsport to get our Speedometers properly calibrated?

Anyone know how to find out?

Since the Trailsport has 18" wheels/tires and the Elite (etc.) has 20" - I'm wondering of there is a mechanical part that is different in the two models that makes the Speedometer correct???
As a retired police officer, I can tell you that unless you have 35" tires to really throw the speedometer off, no police officer is going to mess with you. Everyone I've ever worked with never wrote a ticket for less than 10 mph over unless it's a school zone (those we hit pretty hard). Get 30.5 inch tires on those 18 inch wheels and don't worry about going 42 mph when the speedometer shows 40. Just enjoy!
 

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That's a great point! Now that some 2022 models come factory with 18" wheels. I do wonder what Honda has done to adjust.

I believe there was a class action lawsuit against Nissan about the speedometer being off and causing premature expiration of warranties and over mileage on lease vehicles, etc.

Could you chime in if Honda changed anything? @zroger73
 
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FYI: I'm not worried about the cops, I'm worried about ACCURACY...
 
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FYI: I'm not worried about the cops, I'm worried about ACCURACY...
Understood brother. I've seen other posts (on the Ridgeline forums when I had a Ridgeline) and on here of some folks that "seemed" to be a little worried about the speed thing. But I can see that you and I might share that trait of "want it work like its supposed to work". :)
 

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FYI: I'm not worried about the cops, I'm worried about ACCURACY...
EDIT to correct my earlier post (oops with the decimal point):
Comparing 265/45R20 to 245/60R18 with greater accuracy
As for long term odometer differences, and assuming ZERO tread wear and full tread depth can be maintained the entire 10,000 miles, the odometer on the difference would be 72.78 miles.
265/45R20 odo = 10,072.78 VS 245/60R18 odo =10,000.00

But before you condemn Honda for cheating, those calculations above are assuming that the speedometer calibration is based on 265/45R20 tires. But that is VERY unlikely because the Honda Pilot, of which the Passport is based, shares the same gauges, parts, and programming. The stock Honda Pilot of same years was equipped with 245/60R18 tires (also shared with Ridgeline) AND/OR 245/50R20 tires, which is the same tire size installed on 2019 - 2021 Passport Sport and EX-L. Those 20's have a circumference of 93.1-in, which results in 681 revolutions per mile. That is almost identical to 245/60R18 specs of 92.9 circumference, 682 revolutions per mile. So it is much more conceivable that the Passport speedo/odo is programmed to the same specs as Pilots/Ridgelines, since it would accurately cover all the higher-volume selling Pilot models, all the higher-volume selling Ridgeline models, and 2 of the 4 Passport trims.
 

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EDIT to correct my earlier post (oops with the decimal point):
Comparing 265/45R20 to 245/60R18 with greater accuracy
As for long term odometer differences, and assuming ZERO tread wear and full tread depth can be maintained the entire 10,000 miles, the odometer on the difference would be 72.78 miles.
265/45R20 odo = 10,072.78 VS 245/60R18 odo =10,000.00

But before you condemn Honda for cheating, those calculations above are assuming that the speedometer calibration is based on 265/45R20 tires. But that is VERY unlikely because the Honda Pilot, of which the Passport is based, shares the same gauges, parts, and programming. The stock Honda Pilot of same years was equipped with 245/60R18 tires (also shared with Ridgeline) AND/OR 245/50R20 tires, which is the same tire size installed on 2019 - 2021 Passport Sport and EX-L. Those 20's have a circumference of 93.1-in, which results in 681 revolutions per mile. That is almost identical to 245/60R18 specs of 92.9 circumference, 682 revolutions per mile. So it is much more conceivable that the Passport speedo/odo is programmed to the same specs as Pilots/Ridgelines, since it would accurately cover all the higher-volume selling Pilot models, all the higher-volume selling Ridgeline models, and 2 of the 4 Passport trims.
So are you saying that us people running 18" tires on a previous 20" set up are KEEPING OUR OVERALL MILEAGE DOWN LOWER THAN ACTUAL?

Hmmm... (smiles)...
 

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So are you saying that us people running 18" tires on a previous 20" set up are KEEPING OURALL OVER MILEAGE DOWN LOWER THAN ACTUAL?

Hmmm... (smiles)...
Or more factually stated - keeping your speedometer and recorded odometer mileage more actual.

But those 18's come at the cost of higher unsprung weight
And higher unsprung weight negatively affects handling

And as you and others noted, your MPG with 18's will suffer (YMMV)
 

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That's a great point! Now that some 2022 models come factory with 18" wheels. I do wonder what Honda has done to adjust.
Probably nothing.

Wheel diameter doesn't affect the speedometer - tire diameter does.

The diameter of the tires used on the 18" wheels is 0.7% larger that's less error than the difference between a new tire and a worn tire of the same size.

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I believe there was a class action lawsuit against Nissan about the speedometer being off and causing premature expiration of warranties and over mileage on lease vehicles, etc.
Same with all 2002-2006 Hondas and 2007 Fits. Honda agreed to extended the warranties by 5%.

The SAE standard for odometer accuracy is 4%. Honda said their odometers were accurate to within 1% to 3.75%. Since then, they target a 0% error.

 

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I wonder if there is a gear or something that we could use from the Trailsport to get our Speedometers properly calibrated?

Anyone know how to find out?

Since the Trailsport has 18" wheels/tires and the Elite (etc.) has 20" - I'm wondering of there is a mechanical part that is different in the two models that makes the Speedometer correct???
If all wheels & tires the same the speedo will give your actual speed all the time
 
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